Quote Originally Posted by turkeyfive View Post
I try not to shove unless I'm at the 10bb or less point so with 12 I'd wait a bit longer. If it was Q9 suited, though, I'd go for it depending on the table. It also depends on position-- it's best to shove on the button or one of the blinds so you have a possibly bigger pot (with all the people limping in mid position and a possible button raise).
I agree here, but at some point you have to just take the dive, because waiting around for a monster is a losing strategy. One more round - if you don't get your obvious action hand, take a solid face or ace and dive in