your opinion

[newdaddyhere]

so I was on bcp last night playing a $2 hyper turbo 100 gua. sating stacks 25,000 with 3 min blinds. Had a top 5 stack in had around 32 left, with 36 making money. Didn't really have a good read on this player next to me. He had just under 80,000 less than me.I had been playing pretty tight and was feeling good with my reads and going with my gut with this hand came up.

Game started at: 2013/11/2 21:28:34
Game ID: 215871772 10000/20000 $100 GTD Hyper Turbo - On Demand, Table 5 (Hold'em)
Seat 5 is the button
Seat 1: Mescalin08 (49786).
Seat 2: MDEw222 (156460).
Seat 4: AASTLkilla314 (200928).
Seat 5: KingOfLaMaddalena (438307).
Seat 6: newdaddyhere (519227).
Seat 7: B1aZZe (110090).
Seat 8: bkr219115 (158500).
Player newdaddyhere ante (2000)
Player B1aZZe ante (2000)
Player bkr219115 ante (2000)
Player Mescalin08 ante (2000)
Player MDEw222 ante (2000)
Player AASTLkilla314 ante (2000)
Player KingOfLaMaddalena ante (2000)
Player newdaddyhere has small blind (10000)
Player B1aZZe has big blind (20000)
Player newdaddyhere received card: [7d]
Player newdaddyhere received card: [7s]
Player B1aZZe received a card.
Player B1aZZe received a card.
Player bkr219115 received a card.
Player bkr219115 received a card.
Player Mescalin08 received a card.
Player Mescalin08 received a card.
Player MDEw222 received a card.
Player MDEw222 received a card.
Player AASTLkilla314 received a card.
Player AASTLkilla314 received a card.
Player KingOfLaMaddalena received a card.
Player KingOfLaMaddalena received a card.
Player bkr219115 folds
Player Mescalin08 folds
Player MDEw222 folds
Player AASTLkilla314 folds
Player KingOfLaMaddalena raises (100000)
Player newdaddyhere raises (230000)
Player B1aZZe folds
Player KingOfLaMaddalena calls (140000)
*** FLOP ***: [5h Kh 5d]
Player newdaddyhere allin (277227)
Player KingOfLaMaddalena allin (196307)
Uncalled bet (80920) returned to newdaddyhere
*** TURN ***: [5h Kh 5d] [Qs]
*** RIVER ***: [5h Kh 5d Qs] [Ad]
------ Summary ------
Pot: 906614. Rake 0
Board: [5h Kh 5d Qs Ad]
Player Mescalin08 does not show cards.Bets: 2000. Collects: 0. Loses: 2000.
Player MDEw222 does not show cards.Bets: 2000. Collects: 0. Loses: 2000.
Player AASTLkilla314 does not show cards.Bets: 2000. Collects: 0. Loses: 2000.
*Player KingOfLaMaddalena shows: Two pairs. As and 5s [Jc As]. Bets: 438307. Collects: 906614. Wins: 468307.
Player newdaddyhere shows: Two pairs. 7s and 5s [7d 7s]. Bets: 438307. Collects: 0. Loses: 438307.
Player B1aZZe does not show cards.Bets: 22000. Collects: 0. Loses: 22000.
Player bkr219115 does not show cards.Bets: 2000. Collects: 0. Loses: 2000.
Game ended at: 2013/11/2 21:29:26


So my thought was with my reraise pre-flop(again I was playing few hands) that i could get him to fold pre fllop with my raise. I mean in that spot i i would of folded aj pre flop with the reraise given it still would have left him with a ton of chips compared to blinds and other stacks. Anyhow as u can c didn't turn out well for me and i was crippled. Like I said I went with my gut and was right, just didn't get the results i wanted. Would go with my gut again if i felt i had good read. I mean if i win that pot i'm the massive chip leader with just over 30 to go. Please let me know wht u thk

[MovingFlea]

You played it well. Assuming you knew what the hell you were doing. I probably would have called too.
There's a reason that move he made is called a donk bet. If he's so strong why not check raise?
If he did have an overpair then it's just a cooler.

[newdaddyhere]

more i thk about the more i still would do that again. he had what i put em on aj or aq. i mean maybe that's one of my problems, and y i cant b a constant winner. i'm just not sure. anyhow thanks all

[newdaddyhere]

movingflea when u say if I know what im doing. normally being in that spot already in money i would just flat call the pre flop raise and go from there but i again had been playing few hands and most were some of the top hands so hoped that would play in there but guess not.

[newdaddyhere]

lol im trying to keep this alive, cuz i want some more views on the hand. should of came up with catchier title i guess

[newdaddyhere]

anybody?????????????????????????????

[newdaddyhere]

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[newdaddyhere]

man that sucks. lol no one will answer me. i need your views PPL

[chrisdione]

he means that some people like to post hands and state that they know what they are doing, but in all reality they have no clue how to read the hand or why they should or shouldn't have won the hand. I think you played it well and read it well just got unlucky that he decided to ride with the hand he had. Nothing you can do about it. Better luck next time.

[TheHaversham]

I would not have re-raised preflop for a couple reasons. First off, it's a $2 hyper turbo. You guys are deep compared to the field, but not necessarily deep with those blinds. SO, in those games, the player who's disciplined enough to raise-fold pre-flop is few and far between. Since you have chips to continue if you do lose this pot, you want to keep the size manageable. The best way to end this hand pre-flop is to make your bet much larger, and you basically min-raised him from OOP. Yes, he made a bad call, but in a $2 hyper, if you're not expecting bad calls you're not planning ahead.

Next, he's never folding a hand that has you beat, and the hands that he is going to call with are those of which you are never very far ahead. So, when called, you are going to be playing a bloated pot from out of position, which is a very difficult spot to be in. I'm not sure what MovingFlea is seeing, I don't see the donk bet. He raises on the button, you 3b in the SB, he flats. You come out shoving the flop. He never had a chance to donk bet, but by the time you've done that, you've almost justified his bad call. You'd never shove a K there or a 5, probably not AA, but maybe QQ-99...but you're pre-flop re-raise was so small it just looked like a re-steal attempt, and in these games he's actually probably right often enough to only make this a marginally bad call.

As played, you got what, 500k-ish in the middle pre, which commits both of you postflop anyway. If you're going to do that, just get it in pre. Your flop shove isn't bad, but like I said, what can he fold there that he'd play that way pre?

This hand is about the power of position and stack dynamics. If you know he's opening wide (from your reads or whatever) then just put it in preflop. If he has a history of raise-folding, then just size that re-raise a bit bigger, like maybe 1.5xPot. If he goes over that, you've lost a chunk but you can feel pretty good about folding. There's still plenty of meat left on the table for you.

Not a terrible play, but not optimal, either. I can almost hear Mike Sexton in the background saying, "This is a classic raise or fold situation," which is only partly right. The raise has to be bigger, or just let it go. Unless you like getting this deep then putting it all on a flip.