Wowza, Just took down a 400 dollar pot!

[TGxHUSSLE]

man dont blow it all I know for my I have a problem with bankroll management which is why i never have long time sucess

[weewayz]

I have to agree with credsfan03. First of all, congratulations, on your win and catching a str8 flush. Still, I think a little constructive criticism is in order here in regards to playing in a game that was probably way over your head with regards to your bankroll, as well as how you actually played this hand. Unless you have a bankroll of around $6000.00, you should not be playing in this game on a consistent basis. Your chances of staying afloat without losing your entire bankroll is about 99.5% against if your bankroll is less than $3000.00, and that is for a player who has a consistent win rate over a year's period of time. I might be wrong on the numbers here.

With regards to a limit hold em game, the recommended number of bbs necessary for a proven winner is 300 bbs in order to withstand the normal variance of a game. That would be for a live game so he is only able to play at one table. In online poker the variance is much larger because most players will often be playing at 5 or more tables at the same time. No limit hold em also has a much higher variance and so the risk of ruin is significantly higher than in a limit game.

The rule of thumb in regards to bankroll management is that you should have even more than the $3000.00 bankroll I mentioned above. Most players who are playing in a $3-6 game have a bankroll equal to or greater than 10 100 BB buy ins. That is what a proven winning player need in his bankroll to prevent a total bust of his bankroll due to the variance (i.e. a string of bad beats that occur way more than normal) in my opinion. I don't think I have seen an actual mathematical evaluation done with regards to online no limit hold em before.

I also think you played this hand poorly given your stack size and the texture of the flop. A normal buy in in a $3-6 no limit game would be 60 to 100 bbs (or $360 to $600) You had a stack of only $200 (or 33 BBs or so). Most sites set the minimum buy in too low in my opinion, some as low as 20bbs to 40 bbs.

I do not know your specific situation with regards to the position of the raiser vs. your position. In regards to playing Kh Qh for a raise to $20.00 That would be on the threshold of calling as it represented ~ 10% of your stack. Any higher than 10% would be too high to call. I think calling if you were playing in a 6 handed game and were on the button would have been fine. I also think you could have called from the blinds with Kh Qh vs. a late position raiser such as the player on the button or in the cut off position (one before the button). So on a flop of Jh Th 3s (whatever the 3rd card was), I would have gotten all my money into the pot right then and there. The reason I would do this is because you have a very strong draw and by check raising (if you were first to act and your opponent bet $75) could make your opponent fold (which is not a bad outcome. This is called fold equity and basically you win what is in the pot at that moment without having to actually have a made hand (i.e. a set, two pair, a straight, or a flush). Your post is a little confusing here. Did you mean he bet $75 into a pot of approximately $46 if it was just you and him in the hand. Or did you make a bet on the flop and he then made it $75 to go? It is fairly unusual for a player to bet more than the pot size in a cash game, at least not in the ones I have played in. But if he did, then you were not even receiving 122 to 75 or 1.6 to 1 pot odds.

In all likelihood though your opponent would have been committed to call had you gotten all your money into the pot on the flop because he would have been committed to call having put %50 of the effective stacks involved (effective stack size is the size of the smallest stack that is involved in a hand, which in this case was approximately $200.00 preflop). He would already have $95 into a pot that is now $300.00 and so he would be getting 3 to 1 odds to call for the $105.00.

He could have had a number of hands that he would call with here including an over pair, a set, A J, a bigger flush draw (like Ah 5h- again not knowing how many players were in the game and your positions makes a lot of different holdings possible), etc.

The problem with just calling on the flop with your str8 flush draw is that you would have put in 50% of your stack into the pot already. Any more than 30% of your stack is the critical threshold and therefore once you have 50% in you should not fold. But what you need to understand is that you could have missed your draw and say a 5s came on the turn. Now you have a strong draw to a str8 and a flush but you have now changed a hand that was probably a favorite to win with 2 cards to come (the turn card and river card) to a hand that could have 15outs after the turn card blanks at most and could have a lot less outs than that, therefore, I would get my money in on the flop and if I lose to a full house then so be it but I am not going to get bluffed off of my strong draw and will see both the turn and river cards if he calls me.

You are a 64 to 32 underdog to win against a 2 pair hand, and a 70 to 30 underdog against a hand like pocket Aces or a set of Jacks (you would lose 2 flush outs against a set and 2 less str8 outs against a pair of aces). If your opponent then bets the rest of your stack and he does have one the hands I mentioned above, you would still be getting 3 to 1 odds on your money but you could be a significant underdog to complete your hand and you could still lose even if you do complete your draw but it is the second best hand.

I suspect what I just posted might be a little too complicated for most beginning players, but I also hope that most beginning (and even more experienced poker players who have very small bankrolls) would not sit down in a $3-6 online no limit hold em game and risk it all on a single hand. Good luck!

[eqgh5uea]

I have to agree with credsfan03. First of all, congratulations, on your win and catching a str8 flush. Still, I think a little constructive criticism is in order here in regards to playing in a game that was probably way over your head with regards to your bankroll, as well as how you actually played this hand. Unless you have a bankroll of around $6000.00, you should not be playing in this game on a consistent basis. Your chances of staying afloat without losing your entire bankroll is about 99.5% against if your bankroll is less than $3000.00, and that is for a player who has a consistent win rate over a year's period of time. I might be wrong on the numbers here.

With regards to a limit hold em game, the recommended number of bbs necessary for a proven winner is 300 bbs in order to withstand the normal variance of a game. That would be for a live game so he is only able to play at one table. In online poker the variance is much larger because most players will often be playing at 5 or more tables at the same time. No limit hold em also has a much higher variance and so the risk of ruin is significantly higher than in a limit game.

The rule of thumb in regards to bankroll management is that you should have even more than the $3000.00 bankroll I mentioned above. Most players who are playing in a $3-6 game have a bankroll equal to or greater than 10 100 BB buy ins. That is what a proven winning player need in his bankroll to prevent a total bust of his bankroll due to the variance (i.e. a string of bad beats that occur way more than normal) in my opinion. I don't think I have seen an actual mathematical evaluation done with regards to online no limit hold em before.

I also think you played this hand poorly given your stack size and the texture of the flop. A normal buy in in a $3-6 no limit game would be 60 to 100 bbs (or $360 to $600) You had a stack of only $200 (or 33 BBs or so). Most sites set the minimum buy in too low in my opinion, some as low as 20bbs to 40 bbs.

I do not know your specific situation with regards to the position of the raiser vs. your position. In regards to playing Kh Qh for a raise to $20.00 That would be on the threshold of calling as it represented ~ 10% of your stack. Any higher than 10% would be too high to call. I think calling if you were playing in a 6 handed game and were on the button would have been fine. I also think you could have called from the blinds with Kh Qh vs. a late position raiser such as the player on the button or in the cut off position (one before the button). So on a flop of Jh Th 3s (whatever the 3rd card was), I would have gotten all my money into the pot right then and there. The reason I would do this is because you have a very strong draw and by check raising (if you were first to act and your opponent bet $75) could make your opponent fold (which is not a bad outcome. This is called fold equity and basically you win what is in the pot at that moment without having to actually have a made hand (i.e. a set, two pair, a straight, or a flush). Your post is a little confusing here. Did you mean he bet $75 into a pot of approximately $46 if it was just you and him in the hand. Or did you make a bet on the flop and he then made it $75 to go? It is fairly unusual for a player to bet more than the pot size in a cash game, at least not in the ones I have played in. But if he did, then you were not even receiving 122 to 75 or 1.6 to 1 pot odds.

In all likelihood though your opponent would have been committed to call had you gotten all your money into the pot on the flop because he would have been committed to call having put %50 of the effective stacks involved (effective stack size is the size of the smallest stack that is involved in a hand, which in this case was approximately $200.00 preflop). He would already have $95 into a pot that is now $300.00 and so he would be getting 3 to 1 odds to call for the $105.00.

He could have had a number of hands that he would call with here including an over pair, a set, A J, a bigger flush draw (like Ah 5h- again not knowing how many players were in the game and your positions makes a lot of different holdings possible), etc.

The problem with just calling on the flop with your str8 flush draw is that you would have put in 50% of your stack into the pot already. Any more than 30% of your stack is the critical threshold and therefore once you have 50% in you should not fold. But what you need to understand is that you could have missed your draw and say a 5s came on the turn. Now you have a strong draw to a str8 and a flush but you have now changed a hand that was probably a favorite to win with 2 cards to come (the turn card and river card) to a hand that could have 15outs after the turn card blanks at most and could have a lot less outs than that, therefore, I would get my money in on the flop and if I lose to a full house then so be it but I am not going to get bluffed off of my strong draw and will see both the turn and river cards if he calls me.

You are a 64 to 32 underdog to win against a 2 pair hand, and a 70 to 30 underdog against a hand like pocket Aces or a set of Jacks (you would lose 2 flush outs against a set and 2 less str8 outs against a pair of aces). If your opponent then bets the rest of your stack and he does have one the hands I mentioned above, you would still be getting 3 to 1 odds on your money but you could be a significant underdog to complete your hand and you could still lose even if you do complete your draw but it is the second best hand.

I suspect what I just posted might be a little too complicated for most beginning players, but I also hope that most beginning (and even more experienced poker players who have very small bankrolls) would not sit down in a $3-6 online no limit hold em game and risk it all on a single hand. Good luck!

Excellent post.

[Dominator3]

What did he have?

[GoodGame]

good pot, cash out and enjoy your winnings

[chrisdione]

wow gotta love it when the other player does all the work making the money for you. Good luck on your new found winnings.

[abwil2]

I have to agree with credsfan03. First of all, congratulations, on your win and catching a str8 flush. Still, I think a little constructive criticism is in order here in regards to playing in a game that was probably way over your head with regards to your bankroll, as well as how you actually played this hand. Unless you have a bankroll of around $6000.00, you should not be playing in this game on a consistent basis. Your chances of staying afloat without losing your entire bankroll is about 99.5% against if your bankroll is less than $3000.00, and that is for a player who has a consistent win rate over a year's period of time. I might be wrong on the numbers here.

With regards to a limit hold em game, the recommended number of bbs necessary for a proven winner is 300 bbs in order to withstand the normal variance of a game. That would be for a live game so he is only able to play at one table. In online poker the variance is much larger because most players will often be playing at 5 or more tables at the same time. No limit hold em also has a much higher variance and so the risk of ruin is significantly higher than in a limit game.

The rule of thumb in regards to bankroll management is that you should have even more than the $3000.00 bankroll I mentioned above. Most players who are playing in a $3-6 game have a bankroll equal to or greater than 10 100 BB buy ins. That is what a proven winning player need in his bankroll to prevent a total bust of his bankroll due to the variance (i.e. a string of bad beats that occur way more than normal) in my opinion. I don't think I have seen an actual mathematical evaluation done with regards to online no limit hold em before.

I also think you played this hand poorly given your stack size and the texture of the flop. A normal buy in in a $3-6 no limit game would be 60 to 100 bbs (or $360 to $600) You had a stack of only $200 (or 33 BBs or so). Most sites set the minimum buy in too low in my opinion, some as low as 20bbs to 40 bbs.

I do not know your specific situation with regards to the position of the raiser vs. your position. In regards to playing Kh Qh for a raise to $20.00 That would be on the threshold of calling as it represented ~ 10% of your stack. Any higher than 10% would be too high to call. I think calling if you were playing in a 6 handed game and were on the button would have been fine. I also think you could have called from the blinds with Kh Qh vs. a late position raiser such as the player on the button or in the cut off position (one before the button). So on a flop of Jh Th 3s (whatever the 3rd card was), I would have gotten all my money into the pot right then and there. The reason I would do this is because you have a very strong draw and by check raising (if you were first to act and your opponent bet $75) could make your opponent fold (which is not a bad outcome. This is called fold equity and basically you win what is in the pot at that moment without having to actually have a made hand (i.e. a set, two pair, a straight, or a flush). Your post is a little confusing here. Did you mean he bet $75 into a pot of approximately $46 if it was just you and him in the hand. Or did you make a bet on the flop and he then made it $75 to go? It is fairly unusual for a player to bet more than the pot size in a cash game, at least not in the ones I have played in. But if he did, then you were not even receiving 122 to 75 or 1.6 to 1 pot odds.

In all likelihood though your opponent would have been committed to call had you gotten all your money into the pot on the flop because he would have been committed to call having put %50 of the effective stacks involved (effective stack size is the size of the smallest stack that is involved in a hand, which in this case was approximately $200.00 preflop). He would already have $95 into a pot that is now $300.00 and so he would be getting 3 to 1 odds to call for the $105.00.

He could have had a number of hands that he would call with here including an over pair, a set, A J, a bigger flush draw (like Ah 5h- again not knowing how many players were in the game and your positions makes a lot of different holdings possible), etc.

The problem with just calling on the flop with your str8 flush draw is that you would have put in 50% of your stack into the pot already. Any more than 30% of your stack is the critical threshold and therefore once you have 50% in you should not fold. But what you need to understand is that you could have missed your draw and say a 5s came on the turn. Now you have a strong draw to a str8 and a flush but you have now changed a hand that was probably a favorite to win with 2 cards to come (the turn card and river card) to a hand that could have 15outs after the turn card blanks at most and could have a lot less outs than that, therefore, I would get my money in on the flop and if I lose to a full house then so be it but I am not going to get bluffed off of my strong draw and will see both the turn and river cards if he calls me.

You are a 64 to 32 underdog to win against a 2 pair hand, and a 70 to 30 underdog against a hand like pocket Aces or a set of Jacks (you would lose 2 flush outs against a set and 2 less str8 outs against a pair of aces). If your opponent then bets the rest of your stack and he does have one the hands I mentioned above, you would still be getting 3 to 1 odds on your money but you could be a significant underdog to complete your hand and you could still lose even if you do complete your draw but it is the second best hand.

I suspect what I just posted might be a little too complicated for most beginning players, but I also hope that most beginning (and even more experienced poker players who have very small bankrolls) would not sit down in a $3-6 online no limit hold em game and risk it all on a single hand. Good luck!

Sadly most wont read and understand what your saying, well maybe they will but for someone to sit down at 3/6 with no roll shows they have no BRM to begin with or any idea of what they should be doing.. They are the ones i call"golden ring" chasers, willing to risk it all in a game WAY over there BR level. good luck on the felt!

[ogKamehameha]

congrats on the win. Gotta love those straight flushes!!!

[nab76]

The guy has reason to call you a donky, your playing 3 6 short stacked and hit and run as soon as you win a nice pot.

the point of playing poker is to win money, if he reached or exceeded his goal why would he stick around? I don't think it makes him a donk, in fact I think it makes him a smart player. Maybe wasn't smart to be in 3/6 with his stack but was certainly a smart move leaving.

[A9ofHearts]

FWIW If you are actually playing poker for a living and not just as a hobby standard BR management would dictate that you have something around at least 50BI for a cash game, not 10.