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donny111 Playing top 2 pair 05-03-2012, 01:20 AM
amele751 i would go all in. I dont... 05-03-2012, 04:09 AM
Zerchai I think he may have TT. dont... 05-03-2012, 04:23 AM
galpokergal i definetly make a value bet... 05-03-2012, 04:33 AM
confused247 I think I would value bet... 05-03-2012, 05:16 AM
joefine why would the guy reraise if... 05-03-2012, 12:09 PM
StephyMarieC I meant shove on the river to... 05-03-2012, 12:16 PM
joefine agreed. but it's a tourny and... 05-03-2012, 12:21 PM
StephyMarieC I'm also a very tight player... 05-03-2012, 12:31 PM
confused247 Sorry, I wasn't clear in my... 05-03-2012, 12:57 PM
StephyMarieC A value bet where? on the... 05-03-2012, 01:03 PM
hadiina just make a value bet,if u... 05-03-2012, 07:54 AM
donny111 i disagree. i use this... 05-03-2012, 03:21 PM
Singertime63 he has a/8 you lose 05-03-2012, 08:26 AM
ad87ag Value bet is the right option... 05-03-2012, 09:11 AM
potfan42o id bet 1/2 the pot 05-03-2012, 10:24 AM
joefine check call assuming it's not... 05-03-2012, 11:59 AM
lovenah ;) 05-09-2012, 11:57 AM
StephyMarieC I would shove at that point... 05-03-2012, 12:06 PM
luximpi if ur stack is higher bet... 05-03-2012, 12:11 PM
flytomaca Except that if he is pot... 05-03-2012, 01:00 PM
joefine how is he pot committed here?... 05-03-2012, 02:48 PM
StephyMarieC Maybe pot committed isnt the... 05-03-2012, 03:19 PM
flytomaca Is always better to be more... 05-03-2012, 01:06 PM
wwwrungood Its an all in, you only have... 05-03-2012, 01:08 PM
StephyMarieC exactly that's what i was... 05-03-2012, 01:10 PM
flytomaca But you know..if you are not... 05-03-2012, 01:11 PM
StephyMarieC I don't think that's the... 05-03-2012, 01:14 PM
enzo16 you have to make a bet 50% of... 05-03-2012, 01:24 PM
hamedbest definatly go all in in play... 05-03-2012, 01:43 PM
confused247 My concern with shoving is... 05-03-2012, 01:57 PM
donny111 appreciate all the responses!... 05-03-2012, 02:01 PM
justanotherkid id say your good about 2 in 5... 05-03-2012, 02:11 PM
donny111 you make a good point joefine... 05-03-2012, 03:10 PM
joefine I guess we look at things... 05-03-2012, 03:17 PM
donny111 [QUOTE=joefine;123818]I guess... 05-03-2012, 03:28 PM
Zerchai The bet on the river is not a... 05-03-2012, 03:24 PM
TARGI check call assuming it's not... 05-06-2012, 02:31 PM
jdot81 Playing aggresive is good... 05-08-2012, 02:53 PM
ad87ag I would have gone all in... 05-08-2012, 03:02 PM
eqgh5uea I usually shove if there... 05-08-2012, 03:11 PM
ussef61 i think have k J and make... 05-08-2012, 03:16 PM
OREOTANK I'd say go for a value bet,... 05-08-2012, 07:45 PM
Rcktwrangler I would definetly check call... 05-08-2012, 08:45 PM
bakreni12 i would go all in. I dont... 05-10-2012, 12:00 PM
jokica1212 i would go all in. I dont... 05-12-2012, 09:23 AM
Mappet i`m going for all in 05-12-2012, 11:49 AM
jokica1212 definetly make a value bet in... 05-12-2012, 12:01 PM
TARGI would go all in. I dont think... 05-12-2012, 12:20 PM
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    Quote Originally Posted by donny111 View Post
    you make a good point joefine in that i had plenty of chips left to play with. however you also fail to think about value. one of the best things that good players do is get value out of their hands. if your always going to check with a str8, 2 pair, or a low flush, because ITS POSSIBLE that your beat; then you are going to miss out on a lot of value bets that your hands should be getting. if the villain in this hand would have had say AJ and hes like many other online players who flop top pair with a good kicker and never fold, then i would have been an idiot to have it go check check on the river and let him get out for cheap while not get any value out of top 2 pair.
    I guess we look at things differently. I understand value betting even when you don't have the nuts and you believe you can get a worse hand to call. However, again you only had the 10th best hand on that board (AA, KK, QQ, 88, 1010, KJ, J9, 8x all have you crushed and all these hands would be played the same way with exception of 8x) with someone calling you down on every street. Given the blinds being so small relative to the pot the guy either was an idiot calling down such large bets or had you crushed. Again - you have showdown value with top two on that board but like i said before you are only getting called by a better hand or an idiot with Ax.

    I still don't see the value in shoving there - as a matter of fact you are destroying any equity you do have by shoving.
    Last edited by joefine; 05-03-2012 at 03:31 PM.

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