Limping with less than 10BB?

[jgad115]

Only way I limp here is in freeroll... Real money table im shoving. Also depending on how many pple are in the money. Etc.

[Drock1116]

You really have to see what kind of situation your in. If there is a really dead table you might want to limp every now and then. Reguardless of your chip stack.

[mike7734]

I limp with AK AQ AJ KQ and KJ because without other cards to go with it there same as 6 7 or 9 10. Just my thought cause I been beat up alot by these hand but its almost a sure win in Late position.

[lorenz0wns]

This is the basic strategy I follow, but I will still shove in the 5-10bb range depending on the situation. Really strong hands ep and good but not great hands when I'm in late position are both times I will shove. I also feel that since the "correct" play is to start shoving at 10bb, more players are likely to call a wider range against this typical play. When I follow my own strategy I become harder to read. I actually believe that more people fold to my shove at 5x then the "book" player who shoves at 10bb because they have already made the assumption that I am a nit that will let myself be blinded out waiting for a premium hand, thus I must have a premium hand.

I am going to have to get this some thought though. I watch a lot of people get knocked out shoving with 8-10 bb, but if they double they have a better chance of making a deeper run than I would waiting to shove.

As far as losing all my fold equity to a limped pot, I typically only limp in unraised or min raised pots and after that I'm either shoving or folding to a raise. I won't be calling and chasing anything down which still gives me flop fold equity and I'll take down a bigger pot at that point.

I think shoving short stacked is very exploitable, but that's just my opinion. If you had a large stack, you would only bet/raise 8-10bb with very strong hands or in very specific situations. If you're shoving short stacked you've opened up your range making it profitable for other players to open up their calling ranges and still be in a +ev spot against the short stack.

One other thing I have to consider though is that my BR is still playing very fast paced tournaments where the levels are putting everyone short stacked fairly quickly. I think my strategy works well for fast tournaments, but when you get to slower tournaments with a much longer blind structure it must take more bbs to have some fold equity. There is a huge difference in how these tournaments play out. If the avg stack is only 15-20bb, you still have fold equity at 5bb since that is 1/3-1/4 of most players stacks.

I'm kinda rambling here, but I hope I've explained my logic ok.

Look at the math of limping. Let's say that there are ~40 players left in a PO FR and blinds are 150/300 and the ante is 25. The action is folded around to you and you are MP1 with 10bbs with a shoving hand (top 21% of ur shoving range) in a 9 handed table.

We are limping 300 to win 675. You will miss most flops and I am assuming you are folding when you flop nothing but air. So 65% of the time we fold the flop and 35% of the time we are continuing. Assuming we win 100% of the time we nail the flop, which will always not be true , but let's assume 100% in this one particular example, then that would value the call at:

(975 * 35%) - 300 = +41.25 equity on the flop

But tbh, even if you hit your hand and you're up against the SB/BB the chances of them paying you off depends varies whether they want to GII light/top pair minimum.

^In that particular example, it is +EV. However, that is assuming no one will raise after you or no one will shove. So at best you're barely +41.25 EV. Poker is all about maximizing EV and the clear answer to maximizing +EV with 10bbs in MP1 is easily a shove.

[greengiant]

i would never limp with 10 bbs. that is just plain stupid i think.

[mikey4141]

If you have under 200bbs Limping should not be a option!

[zayzoo]

limping wiht 10 bb.. .. ALL i n no limping . That is no good. unless your playing short stack or the blinds are way up there.

[cool2k13]

limping in with 10bb is not advisable as all in will get more value for your money

[lorenz0wns]

Also, it would actually look stronger limping than shoving IMO generally because if you're a competent player you would only be limping with a good range that you would be prepared to call an all in with. Alas, it doesn't matter if you're play a FR because generally most players won't recognize those type of plays.

[zbourque]

when you are low its go big or go home you cant keep getting blinded out.