coincidence or rigged????

[JohnnyDeepStacks]

I'm gonna go with coincidentally rigged. Or rigged coincidentally. Give me a bit to think on it some more.

[royalpat]

its the algorythm.. i think it has something to do with calculating hands and ranges. I mean come on, its a software. who knows how shit goes down. rigged or just plain luck..just be happy when its in your favor.

it is software not a deck of cards - so they are preset hands that is all - just be happy if it goes in your favor

[JohnnyDeepStacks]

When your playing in the software the games are soft so be aware.

[boulevardrain]

Coincidence. It's a computer program - it's not like there's someone sitting on the other end like "oh hey, let's help this guy out and stick a 2 right there, just for kicks"....

[tracyrickrobby]

doesnt sound rigged, just coiencdence (god i cant spell), need more coffee!! anyways! i doubt it is rigged!

[ExamOver]

RIGGGED!!! go to CASINO AND WATCH THEM SHUFFLE WITH A BUTTON.. RIGGGEDD!!!!! i get more hands when they hand shuffle!!!!! BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM MMM

[eqgh5uea]

haxzor

[N1fty]

I always wonder if there were certain things you can do inside of an online poker game that can manipulate what cards come out or what cards you are dealt ect.

It would require such a heavy amount of testing that I'm sure if it did exist only the ones that are suppose to know would know. With that said chances are it was just coincidence ;p

[chrisdione]

serious question I guess. The site has more things to worry about that watching every hand and setting up hands like that.

[TheHaversham]

While it IS funny, consider the trouble some sites have just keeping the client running and everyone connected and all the updates, etc.

Now you're going to try to believe that they also had the ability to program in some way for a player to manipulate the RNG with their bet-sizing? Then, after doing that and being in business for many years, they've somehow managed to keep everyone who knows about it quiet. No disgruntled programmer, ever? I mean it's possible, but so incredibly unlikely given the profit available WITHOUT resorting to cheating. A good reputation would be too important to risk just to have "action flops," or whatever, if sustainability were your goal. And it's true, it isn't always the goal. Which is why most players wait to deposit until they KNOW a site is reputable.

In reality, most sites' random-number-generators (RNGs) pull from pre-selected decks and often "shuffle" between streets now. To compare to live dealers, it would be the equivalent of the dealer having a stack of 1,000,000+ decks of cards, pre-shuffled, beside him. He randomly grabs a deck and deals out the cards. Whatever cards are dealt are also simultaneously removed from all the other decks as well. Then, using a RNG again, he picks another random deck and deals out the flop. Those cards are again removed from all remaining decks, and another deck is chosen for the turn. Whatever card was on top of that deck is culled from the other decks again (so that there can be no repeated cards in the hand - imagine folding the 5 of spades preflop but then seeing it on the turn, lol) and another deck is chosen for the river, if necessary.

Sometimes that RNG IS actually player-influenced. Like after our imaginary dealer deals, he immediately grabs one deck, but if the first player limps, he drops that deck and grabs another, then when the next player also limps, another deck is chosen...if a player raises, he grabs yet another deck. Each time he grabs a new deck, he uses the RNG to choose which deck. He does this deck-changing to cut down on the possibility of cheating.

In the early days of online poker, there was a file kept on site servers that had everyone's cards in it once they were dealt, like a hand-history in real-time. Well, good hackers/programmers found a way to view that file while playing. So then they went to the random deck idea, and based which deck would be chosen on a RNG based off the server clock. But some MIT geniuses coordinated their clock with the client server, allowing them to narrow down the list of possible decks chosen. By analyzing the action, it was usually pretty easy to figure out the players hands, which would then tell them the flop, turn, and river since the deck order, chosen before the hand, was static. Those MIT guys were kind enough to give up their secret to be helpful (surely not before destroying a few big Sunday majors), and that is when sites began the new round of RNG's, wherein there is NO file of all the hands created until after the hand, where the deck is not constant so therefore not accessible at any time during the hand.

So now, even if you knew even one other player's hole cards, you might be able to figure out which deck was used for the deal and therefore get everyone's hole cards. But then the deck may be randomly "shuffled" each time each player acts, moves his mouse, whatever, so when the flop comes you might be able to again narrow down the possible decks used, but again, another will be chosen for the turn, so it would do you no good. With so many levels of randomness thrown across a given range of possible decks, there is very little possibility of predicting the cards anymore.