Nab, Friendly reminder!! A good player will raise with just about anything IMO, So, jus cuz there was a raise preflop doesnt necessarily mean he dont have 68, I dont kno how many times I have KO'd NOOBS wit 45 suited or 68 or crap like that with raise preflop, and flop the nuts or some shit and get paid off with it!! If your jus playing nothing but premium hands, you wont get far in your poker game, jus saying!!