Statagey for shoving late in tournaments with a short stack

So I was playing in a really well run bar tournament last week and got into a really good discussion with a player late in the tournament about hands to shove late in a tournament with under a 15bb stack. He was saying he would rather shove K and Q rag over Ace rag. His thought process behind it was your less likely to get called by k10, qten, then you are A7+. If you shove A5, theres no way A9-AK with a decent stack is folding and you are just crushed. Would like to hear anyone elses thoughts on this?

I like that reasoning, but if the ace-rag is suited then thats a different story. Connectors are not a bad shove, especially double paint or suited, most ace-rags will fold to your shove and you may get called by a weaker king
now what is more important is your position when you shove - to me its better to be late or in the blinds - you dont want a lot of callers unless you have a monster - even then, aa is only a small favorite against 5 random hands - and if you can just steal the blinds from the button, cutoff or highjack without a fight then even better.

always better to shove than blind off and have to race as a short stack

Depends on timing. Even then there is no guarantee that youll win afterall this is poker.

mixed feelings about the shoving strategy, I dont do it unless i have a good hand

playin short stack is more position and feel.. cards are a secondary thing.. from the button I might push 10-8 suited

ill shove nething on the button~!


BOSS!

I'm kinda with him, but I like the smaller suited connector hands - K and Q rag are very, very easy to dominate. I think he just wanted you to start playing those hands so he could beat you

When I'm down to 5bb or less late in a tournament, I'll shove pocket 10's or higher and any AK or AQ and sometimes AJ AT if suited. Any suited connectors 8 or above will usually get shoved when I'm fighting for survival. Better to shove when you still have enough chips for other players to have to think about calling you.

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Originally Posted by Igotouts23

So I was playing in a really well run bar tournament last week and got into a really good discussion with a player late in the tournament about hands to shove late in a tournament with under a 15bb stack. He was saying he would rather shove K and Q rag over Ace rag. His thought process behind it was your less likely to get called by k10, qten, then you are A7+. If you shove A5, theres no way A9-AK with a decent stack is folding and you are just crushed. Would like to hear anyone elses thoughts on this?

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I think you lost us at "So I was playing in a really well run bar tournament"

Whenever im all in, I don't look at my hand. That way no one can get a read. And I might actually have it. ALL IN BABY!

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Originally Posted by PimpGameNM

I think you lost us at "So I was playing in a really well run bar tournament"

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Probably the best game in my area. Its a 40 dollar tournament. 35 in prize pool, 5 to the dealers. Yes a bar game with its own dealers. The only other option in my area is Pokertek tables and I hate it. This tournament has a 10k add on at first break for 10 bucks that goes all into the prize pool. 25,000 starting stack blinds start at 25/50 and 20 minute levels. Mark Kroon (chipleader of mainevent for day 1 2 and 3) plays in it weekly

i always shove into rockets ..so i pretty much DONT DO IT........ :)

I try to avoid shoving in these situations. The action before me and the tendencies and stacks of of the players behind me carry more weight for me.

If im under 15bbs in a tourney and there are antes, from the button/co im shoving A2s+ A2o+ K7s+ K9o+ Q7s+ Q8o+ J8s+ J9o+ 8Ts+ 56s 67s 78s 89s 9Ts and all pairs