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Say you have pocket pairs pre-flop, anything Jacks or less, What is the best action if 1) you don't have much if any info on the other players, 2) Seating is not considered for this example 3) Nor is stack size.
Is limping in the best play or fire off a massive bet?
The variables such as seating and stack sizes are extremely important. If I had more than 13 times the Big Blind I would probably make a standard raise. However, what I would do really does depend on position and stack sizes. These decisions don't happen in a vacuum.
I would also look at the number of people in the tournament and were the blinds are at. The further into the tournament the less likely I would go all in with a pair.
Playing any hand leaving out stack sizes and position should be simple, 3x raise, continuation bet no matter if you flop set, 3 overs, 4 of a kind, doesnt matter, dont give out information or tells play every hand the same. Problem with that is the most important factor in deciding whether to play a hand or not for me is stack sizes and position, so its hard to say with out them in consideration.Quote:
Originally Posted by SyKoChiller
if im shortstacked i will always go allin, however if I am medium or up i will limp unless in late position in which i willl make a small raise
Bet, big or small, but you gotta bet...try and get the rags out
Yes limp, unless you are very short stacked at the end of a tournament
There are too many variables to give a direct answer.
limping is never the best option. why would you want to be in a hand by starting off showing weakness? bet your usual amount. don't have different size bets for different hands, that just makes you easily exploitable. if its not good enough for a raise then just fold.
if y play sit n go's then yes, 4+1bb per limper. and so on
The position and stack sizes matter. For instance, if I'm sb vs bb, I'd say all in is in order if I'm seriously short stacked.
I would limp...massive bets get called by massive donks almost always
fold fold fold fold bluff fold, a wise man once said dunno hoo
I basically just move in with JJ+ on a low stack. You can really beat yourself up trying to outguess everyone once the flop comes.
You are better off going all in instead of missing the flop with half your stack in the pot and more players to deal with also.
~SwordCall
Pretty impossible question to answer without the variables that are asked to exclude........................................... ..................................
Set mining can be very profitable only if you will get paid. If Villian has AK and wiffs with a 972 board and you have duck duck, you will likely only get a cbet and not his entire stack....
In tournaments, consider the percentage of your stack and the opponents stack in this calculation. If you are risking less than 10% of your stack and if you lose, you still have over 50bb, I would consider it worth the risk only if our villian is deep as well.
That's a big tell all by itself...Quote:
Originally Posted by JLynn171
Stack size and position must always be considered. Firing off a massive bet with a medium pair could cost you your tournament life.Quote:
Originally Posted by SyKoChiller
A small pair, remember, is an implied odds hand. There is a misconception in lower stakes poker players revolving around the strength of a pair preflop. In a multi-table tournament early, with 50-200+ bbs, the best course of action is just to follow course if there are limpers or raise a little if you'll otherwise be out of position and hope to set mine. 12% of the time you will hit your set. Don't slow play it on flops with 2+ cards of the same suit or 2+ cards connected to a straight and make sure you give such hands the wrong odds to call with your bet sizing -- play it as fast as possible on such boards. On boards with rainbow suits, slow playing ONE street is possibly okay, but only if you think it'll make more money/chips -- but sure to bet the next street if they haven't bet out on the flop or up until then tho. Also, on boards with Q, K, or A, you can play your hand faster because players are more likely to give action with such boards, as they most likely hit their hands. If the board is all undercards to your pair, play it fairly fast (to get two over cards to fold), but be weary of getting too involved. In any other case, if the set doesn't hit and there are overs on board, just fold -- yes even JJ.
QQ-AA is a little different altogether.
During the middle stages, these hands are usually push (not necessarily all in -- but not looking for flop action per say) or fold. If you need a double up, are trying to steal the blinds or flip 52% with someone, this is the time to do it. This is more when stacks become below 40 bbs.
Also, there is absolutely nothing wrong with folding baby pockets, especially in turbo settings when faced with a raise or in situations when raised and you'd play out of position.
There is still a lot more to it than this, but this is the best start I could type up.
call and if don't hit flop fold
All of your exclusions dictate what you should be doing bra. There is no absolute way to play those hands man. You can raise 77+ with position and limp the rest if the implies are there dude. Otherwise yas folds it.
Good question..... I would propose it with a few more conditions.. Lets say money bubble with 13 bb remaining UTG +2 with no reads on table. Fold, raise, shove or limp?
agree there is alot of things to take into consideration when you have small pp ... positon ... stack size and where you are on payout,
Limping in early or middle position is good, raise it late position or button.