Your Move

Your sitting at a live cash table..You've been there for about an hour and a half and your stack is about 2.5x larger than what you sat down with...you get dealt ADJD and are first to enter the hand...You throw at a raise of 3xBB and you get two callers, the person next two X1 who is lag type of player...two seats down you have another caller X2 who seems to be playing a tag type of style (doesn't play a lot of hands..when he is in a hand raising or re-raising pre with QQ's, etc, also has 2nd largest stack at table..yours is largest).

Flop comes 8D 10D 8C...Pot sitting at about $50

Your first to act you bet out $24 and they both call making the turn around $125ish
Board now shows 8D 10D 8C 7D

Now you bet out $40..X1 folds and X2 re-raises to $140 (sitting with about another $200 behind)...What is your move in this situation and why?

hell if I know, I suck at cash games,,, in a tourny I'm all in !!!!

This is a tough spot. It's all about trusting your read. If your opponent flopped or turned a full house, you are drawing dead. In most cases, this is an all-in with the nut flush, with your opponent likely to call with an 8 or any overpair.

It's sure hard decision you don't know if your opponents sitting with a boat, he could definely bluff this situation too.

i shove it's nuthin 2 lose at this point if you just call you his next move is to shove and you have the nut flush can't really improve on it and you have him covered, for all you know he could have k-q of diamonds,maybe had a suited ace 8,could be a stone cold bluff and you seem to have been the aggressor in the hand,he just called the post flop bet and the turn card that makes your hand improves his enough to reraise 3.5 times your turn bet smells fishy 2 me in any case if he has trips wouldn't wanting him spiking the river boat and that sounds pretty much like whats happening or he thinks u were trying 2 buy the pot after the other guy folds and is making a play 4 the pot with nothing.

just curious what did err... would you do ????

I guess I would have shoved here, don´t think he has a full house

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by zman523

i shove it's nuthin 2 lose at this point if you just call you his next move is to shove and you have the nut flush can't really improve on it and you have him covered, for all you know he could have k-q of diamonds,maybe had a suited ace 8,could be a stone cold bluff and you seem to have been the aggressor in the hand,he just called the post flop bet and the turn card that makes your hand improves his enough to reraise 3.5 times your turn bet smells fishy 2 me in any case if he has trips wouldn't wanting him spiking the river boat and that sounds pretty much like whats happening or he thinks u were trying 2 buy the pot after the other guy folds and is making a play 4 the pot with nothing.

just curious what did err... would you do ????

---

Thats kinda what I put him on..Either the Khi flush or like A8...Didn't think he would be drawing for a straight with flush showing on the board either...After the first guy folded it didn't take long for the X2 to go ahead and raise me..it was almost instantaneous..(I remember he said something to the affect that I bet to much on the turn or overbet...which in turn I believe I underbet if anything/value bet the turn hoping one of the other players hit a flush as well...But I don't remember if he said this with his raise or if it was right after the hand that he said something)

As to answer your question Z...I thought for a minute...with his re-raise I was having to call another $100 to win over $400 ($305 in pot after his re-raise)...I went ahead and re-raised him all in

I dont think there is a person on this site that would have folded.

so wtf did he have?

Its all in or fold bro i would jam it in on him, your beating everything except the boat and quads,, does he have you beat or think your blufffing.. the 40 dollar looks like a defense bet, so he could be raising you weaker then you think, he could just have trips granted you only made is 3x, letting him get in cheap.

Get your money in and hope it holds! lol

Hope that helps!

TTYL

with your luck push with my luck fold

What ended up happening?

i think thats was your best move so did he fold or if he called what did he have ??
hope you didn't get stung !!

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by zman523

i think thats was your best move so did he fold or if he called what did he have ??
hope you didn't get stung !!

---

He called...Flipped up his A8 like we thought he had...river came 10c givin him the boat ...After all that I was only down like 15 or $20 from what I initially bought in for...ended the day making $365 still so it was still a positive day for me just a sickk hand

oh man thats so sick tough break man figured he was holdin trips was hopin u'd say river missed him and u won. did this happen on carbon?? just curious i've had sick beats like that there a lot. funny you can always remember the bad beats play by play i can't tell you 1 good bad beat story out of the couple i have that i came out on top of for nuthin in the world or any big pot wins for that matter not what the hand was ect.... lol

good luck i'll be chattin with ya

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by zman523

oh man thats so sick tough break man figured he was holdin trips was hopin u'd say river missed him and u won. did this happen on carbon?? just curious i've had sick beats like that there a lot. funny you can always remember the bad beats play by play i can't tell you 1 good bad beat out of the couple i have that i came out on top of for nuthin in the world. lol

good luck i'll be chattin with ya

---

Haha noo it was at a live cash game...I had about two weeks off from school so i was playing about everyday in there and that happened to be one of the situations I got stuck in...got it back up to my original stack and then made about half of what i bought in for with pocket qqs and then next hand got AQ...went to another table a little later and then doubled up there and grinded it out for a bit

Theres a live tournament I'm playing in tomorrow at noon, placed 2nd last week in it..So I want to cash in that then they have another one at 8ish that I want to go ahead and play in that one (I haven't played that tournament yet) and then play another deep stack 7k guarantee on Sunday

man i miss live tourneys i'm a better tourney player than the ring games lived in vegas for 2 years used to play at the southpoint back in chicago now and tho we have the indiana's casinos i don't find any tournament play there the rooms are huge tho but i haven't seen a bad beat jackpot or a quads str8 flush royal flush jackpot like in vegas. where u playin at ????

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by zman523

man i miss live tourneys i'm a better tourney player than the ring games lived in vegas for 2 years used to play at the southpoint back in chicago now and tho we have the indiana's casinos i don't find any tournament play there the rooms are huge tho but i haven't seen a bad beat jackpot or a quads str8 flush royal flush jackpot like in vegas. where u playin at ????

---

Daytona poker room...They have Hourly high hands for cash games and a bad beat jackpot...There actually having the heartland poker tour main event there which I'll probably be in, there doing small Mtt's (like 4 tables) for seat tickets now

good luck dog big fan of the heartland hope 2 be seein u on the tube ...

rootin 4 ya!!!

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by zman523

good luck dog big fan of the heartland hope 2 be seein u on the tube ...

rootin 4 ya!!!

---

Thanks I'm guessing its going to be a huge field since they've been advertising it for months it seemed (or probably one month, I'm just there too much)...I don't think I'll have a problem getting into the main event, and I feel I can navigate my way through most of it, but I do know the group of guys that I usually go play with want to play in it too and there a bunch of sharks so it should be interesting ...Haven't really watched too many episodes of the heartland, but they do have episodes playing on the tv's at the cash games so every once in a while I'll catch part of a hand

The dude hit the full boat, or maybe even quads, I fold and am happy to still have some money.

Well if you know the person well he could bluff you, depending what kind of images you have.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by ProBlackbird

Well if you know the person well he could bluff you, depending what kind of images you have.

---

Well I knew the person enough to know his playing style...the range I put him on was one of the two mentioned back a bit, and sure enough thats what he ended up having

in that situation i just call to see what is coming ( an another 8 or another 10) because u can't risk so much there even u have the flush A high ( he doesn't play many hands just strong hands) so if he is re-raising with QQ he can have also a poket 10's, so all u can do it's JUST call and see what happens, after that if there not comes 8 or 10 i think u can call hes all in, just if he is going all in on the river.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by gsxr5221

Your sitting at a live cash table..You've been there for about an hour and a half and your stack is about 2.5x larger than what you sat down with...you get dealt ADJD and are first to enter the hand...You throw at a raise of 3xBB and you get two callers, the person next two X1 who is lag type of player...two seats down you have another caller X2 who seems to be playing a tag type of style (doesn't play a lot of hands..when he is in a hand raising or re-raising pre with QQ's, etc, also has 2nd largest stack at table..yours is largest).

Flop comes 8D 10D 8C...Pot sitting at about $50

Your first to act you bet out $24 and they both call making the turn around $125ish
Board now shows 8D 10D 8C 7D

Now you bet out $40..X1 folds and X2 re-raises to $140 (sitting with about another $200 behind)...What is your move in this situation and why?

---

i would call the reraise and check to him on the river and allow him to bet, since you say he is a tight player, more than likely he has AA, KK, QQ, i doubt he has a 8, but let the tight player lead out, it could be a trap, regardless if he has a overpair you will get paid off nicely with your nut flush..you will make money here, but you also can avoid a major loss in case the guy have sets of 1010 or 77 and he fills up...i would not reraise him back unless you fell pretty dam lucky...

call call call every time call !

i like koz's answer lol .. no input on the hand or anything . just call!

ur pretty much just playing the guessing game in here without seeing or being able to read ur opponent

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by rodthat

ur pretty much just playing the guessing game in here without seeing or being able to read ur opponent

---

I mean I was able to read him ..I put him on 1-3 hands...I didn't put him on pocket tens because He limped in and earlier I saw him raise at the table with pocket 7's and pocket 9's (one of the first few hands he played when I got to the table)..So that let me know he didn't have a pocket pair on the board...I put him on Khi or Qhi flush or the trip 8s (A8)...He ended up having the trip 8s...A lot of how I play is based upon the player and being able to read ppl (not just playing my cards), so based upon the situation and how the hand played (plus how previous hands were played by them, what position they were in for those hands,stack sizes, etc.) is how I determine what to do and make my play

hahahaha

hahaha

To me if you can't pick up on anything I shove it's basically a cooler type deal

i be sweating but i go allin hes just trying to buy the pot hes mad.he wants to be number 1 lol

Based on what you said i would have thought he probably had pocket 8's and should fold. AAHHHH! Easier said then done! This is like folding AA, just cant do it. Call!

All innnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

Ha , this is like folding AA cant be done well said vegas!

Good luck . . ;)

id blow itwith fingers crosed and go all in

I probably would have shoved here too, don´t think he has a full house to say the least