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Low stakes tournament 378 pay 650 left of 3000ish. Have 3300 behind after posting bb blinds 150-300 with 30 ante. Button SB and me in hand. I have Q8 flop Q-9-2 rainbow. SB bets 560. I instafold. Is this worst play ever? How bad is this play? Am I stupid? Plz respond.
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Of course it's not the "worst fold ever," they could have had a higher pocket pair, two pair or a three of a kind.
Uhhh.. I think the real threat is a bigger queen.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIGAUS
I'd have folded there too. I like the fold.
what was your position in the tourney? your stack is so small I think I would have raised all in, but folding is ok with the intention of trying to steal some blinds with initiative. It's possible you were beat, but I think 3 handed with no preflop raises and short stacked i would have just shoved and hoped to double up.
you also need to know what type of player the SB is and his stack size relative to the other players. If he's bigger stack he is probably more likely to be bullying you off marginal hands. He could have had hands like K9 or JT in his range too, so the more you know about that player, the better a decision you can make. if the blinds to your left are tight then folding there and trying to steal the blinds with position is probably the safest play.
I dunno man, i think i would have shoved also. I would have felt safer with only 1 other person but with such a short stack, a definite shov is in order, but then, im a risky guy
depending on the players and their stats then I'm either folding or shoving. 11 BBs with top pair is a really tight fold but you didn't give any information about the players. regardless, 95% of the time I'm getting it in there.
I dont understand your Question...why is it worst to fold toppair with bad Kicker????
Good and easy fold
notice how players with like $0.70 in winning are all saying shove...those with $40 + in winning are all saying it was a good fold...that must tell u summin guys
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Originally Posted by azreal1
The VPIP doesn't tell you much post flop in a spot like this. Look at their flop aggression factor if you're going to rely on HUD data.Quote:
Originally Posted by matg281
i meant to use it to put them on a rangeQuote:
Originally Posted by jasonv12
no what im saying is look at trends people who have earnt fuck all on here are all saying theyd shove in this position...those who FT more and win more money on here are pretty much all saying fold...Quote:
Originally Posted by matg281
shoving with top pair and a bad kicker when another player is raising you is gunna get u into trouble more times than not...just saying look at patterns, obv cituation is different in every tourney but to just say ud flat out shove is very close minded and ure not really gunna win much
Lol
to the ones who shove here .... ur out of the tourney 80% of the time if u do that 90% of the time the guy who raised had Q and better kicker.. wait is this carbon? CLEAR SHOVE!! jkjk
Well did you cash? Other player could of had bigger Q? Not worse fold ever.
never get too involved without the nuts while in blinds with hands you would not have played outside of the blinds
I would never risk my tourney life with top pair/weak kicker, folding was your only option , on to the next hand...
If you are going to shove make sure you get it in good.
How did you end up? Get knocked out or cash?
Worst ive ever seen ahhahahahahahaha
Really don't see why that hand would be all that hard to divorce...I don't recommend it and don't like to but can and will play down to 5 and 4 BB's...I'm not gonna just look at my stack and say damn 10 BB's shove...twice today alone was crippled (in Lock down 1 1/2 BB) and FT'd it...8th...and third Carbon hole I dug was at 2 BB's and FT'd...6th...not great finishes but if I had just shoved next hand after misfortune struck woulda been out, not cashing...and I am a terrible player if I can do it all of you certainly can...
I probably woulda shoved in that situation I actually like to be out of position just so you could ship it and be agressive and know if your beat pretty quickly
u need to save ur chips for a 80% hand - or atleast 70%...ur in 10% to60% territory...no sense critically wounding urself here. Typically a smart AA. KK QQ SB here would slow play it and get value...decent fold.
What are you doing calling Q 8 with 650 left and 378 paid...Quote:
Originally Posted by rolltide32
don't be so harsh dude, far from the worst fold ever...not even a bad fold if you were set on just getting to the money, then risking approx. 1/4 of your stack just to see the turn knowing a larger follow up bet is definitely coming with a marginal hand is the wrong call; as is shoving it all in there with the same marginal hand. Don't beat yourself up man, you played it cautious and tight to the vest with the intention of making the money.
Polo, he was BB, no raise pre-flop
The Worst Ever...................wtf?
not the worst fold ever....but all depends really on the person and how they have been playing the tourney that is betting at you
Yeah I doubt that would be the worst fold ever. Seems like you probably still couldve cashed as well
polo obviously skipped the "after posting bb" part of the story
no reise sb end bb for me its bad fold
the fold was ok for me
cant really tell you if this is a good fold or not. There is definitely not enough information provided to be able to say with 100% certainty that this is a profitable fold. Your table image plays into account and how active your two villians in the hand have been also plays into account. From the way you described the hand to us it looks like the button limped and the small blind completed and you checked to see a free flop. Then the small blind leads out for 560. He could be holding a huge variety of hands, anything from 22-66 make sense here along with Ax (A2 and A9 are definitely possibilities). He would have Qx here as well along with any random two pair. I guess you need to take into account how the small blind has been playing while you have been at the table with him. Was he the type of opponent to fire out 560 with A9/K9/10-9 type of hands? Would he lead this flop with Q3-Q6 type of hands? If he would lead out a Q rag or middle pair type of hand then your fold is questionable however if he has been playing rather tight and nitty then ya high five your monitor and insta fold. Taking this hand as you described it to us in the initial post into a vaccum yes i would say that you should generally be folding top pair with a shitty kicker there however if you have some added information that you can take into account on the villian in the hand then that obviously would change my opinion on it and would possibly end up with you playing the hand post flop differently.
so manny.what most hurt you have hand a small stakes go allin big stakes go allin u fold big stakes has nothing small wins high card andQuote:
Originally Posted by rolltide32
next round u raise that small no small anymore go allin again u call and game over for you.
I think it was a good fold. The fear there would be a Queen with a better kicker. It would be best to look for better spots.