When is it time to shove?

[wagon596]

How many big blinds do you think is the minimum to have before you push all in with any two cards. This would be at a full table. If you think the number would be different for say, early position, middle position and late position, please let me (us) know what you think.
Thanks and take care.

[StephyMarieC]

I assume you're asking because of the way the freerolls have been. Anyway I know I have to shove when the blinds will eat me alive and I am nowhere near the bubble. As far as an exact number I'm not good at math so I would like to no the answer too. It used to be I could make it to the final table by building a nice sized stack by playing a few good hands and picking my spots patiently. That's no longer the case so I need advice on this subject too.

[joefine]

the conventional wisdom is 10bb. If see any decent cards in any position, then the thinking goes that for 10 bb your opponents have some fold equity. but to be honest for me i'll go down to about 5 bb before i shove with any face card or suited connectors. just my bias on carbon poker i won't shove an ace unless it's AQ or better or 10s or up in early position. however if it gets folded to me and i'm in late position i will shove with qj or better. just my opinion.

[MIGO14]

Yeah, it´s around 10 to 13 BB afaik. For sure hand must be stronger by shoving from EP

[Poof]

i thought donk rule 101 you shove when you have a ace in your hand..thats what i see alot on here?

This literally made me laugh, but it's true.

Yeah, it´s around 10 to 13 BB afaik. For sure hand must be stronger by shoving from EP

^^^This.

[douglat3]

well this thread about cash games.. but if u talking tour most say 10 bbs.. but u dont do it with any hand wait for a decent hand.. or if u on button and it folded around to u maybe try to take blinds with more bbs when u have some fold equity still left..

[darkstar6483]

i will ussually let my stack get down to about 5 to 6 bb's till i feel its manditory to shove with almost any 2.....

[ssuglia]

i will ussually let my stack get down to about 5 to 6 bb's till i feel its manditory to shove with almost any 2.....

Now that is a winning strategy.

[ssuglia]

Yeah, it´s around 10 to 13 BB afaik. For sure hand must be stronger by shoving from EP

Not necessarily. It all depends on the stack sizes of the rest of the players, what the blinds are, when they go up again, and how close to the bubble you are. These are all things that can affect shove/fold/call decisions. In the right situation, you can shove pretty much ATC from any position (provided you're first into the pot), and players will think twice about calling off most/all of their stacks without a premium holding.

Of course, most of this gets thrown out the window in a freeroll, as many players don't think about anything beyond the two cards they're dealt, and have usually decided whether they plan on playing a hand as soon as they see their cards regardless of the action ahead of them.

[ssuglia]

I'm kinda surprised it has only been mentioned twice in this thread, but fold equity is a term everyone should become familiar with. Google the term and start reading up on it if you're not familiar with it.

I'll see if I can find some good reading material for everyone when I get home later.