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I wanted to get some people's opinion on playing top set on a dry board. It seems that lately when i do this against one or two opponents I get caught. KK Flop 4 - 6 - K Rainbow. I checked the flop and turn (J) and then bet the pot on the River (8) and he raises the pot again and i call. He flips over 5-7 off... he called my raises from the button.
how much did you raise pre-flop or did you raise preflop even. seems like a a stroke of bad luck
Never check more than one street to slowplay unless you have like quads or some hand that literally can't be beat is my opinion. I mean, you have to build a pot either way. I'd have bet just enough on the turn to give all possible draws a bad price, and if they call then it's their idiotic luck, but yeah a turn bet was probably correct as it forces draws out and starts to build a pot. Hope they have QJ and will pay off a little or something. Hard spot and tough break tho.
Thanks for the advice - yeah i didn't see alot out there that i could get some value from so i checked to the river in hopes the board would pair or an ace would come. I raised 5x the BB from early position.. no other callers. This guy is generally loose agressive and thought the check on the turn would show weakness and induce a bluff.
i never slow play becase some always get god hand
I would check the flop to induce bluff or give the Opponent a card to catch. I would also check the turn to allow the op to catch a card. Then value bet.
your first mistake. you have to make him pay to draw. you gave him a free card.
think of it like this
you over bet both times.. if he calls and calls his draw and you still lose no biggie
make a mental note. this player is a calling station donkey
you use that to ur advantage.
Im postive if you would have made a continuation value bet he would have folded by fourth street
Have to agree that if you let them have free cards you have encouraged draws...by river you only get called by hand that beats yours...
Play it slow, try to get maximum value, they won't hit a miracle straight more than 5% of the time on a board like that, so you will be profiting in the long run.
There is no definite answer to this question.... you have to maximize your payoff. Don't bet differently or a good player will sniff if out. Play off your opponent and your table image.
You say you want to induce a bluff, but if your opponent didn't bluff the flop, if they understand the game, how can they bluff the turn without *some* equity aka a semibluff that you would want out anyways? What would they be representing? A jack would almost never bet for value there. They wouldn't check the case king on the flop. J6, J4 wouldn't be in in the first place. They *should* never bluff the turn without some sort of flush or straight draw on a board like this unless they bet at the flop as well. It's a mistake. It would just have to be a mistake. It accomplishes nothing but saying, "hey reraise me, I got air and might be drawing." Maybe if they are a really big fish, I could see this, but even then, their cards could be anything aka the 53 and then you still have to worry about that too. Plus by hooking them on this way, you are also making your knowledge of the possible hands they could have equal to about nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danger1666
Sometimes, you just got to accept your hand is too powerful to get action from worse because you have all but one of cards to get you action locked up (the last king) and you can know based on their flop action, that they don't have it.
The only action you'll end up getting is based on some miracle runner runner checking two streets let get there.
Just bet and try to hope they hit the J, otherwise take the pot there and move on would be my advice.
in the scenario you laid out in your original post you allowed him to catch up and suck out on you by checking the flop and the turn. I understand that you flopped the nuts and would like to get action and what not but checking two streets hoping someone else would bet so you could check raise is not a good idea because you allow opponents to catch up by seeing free cards. Even if this is something that you dont feel right about doing i suggest that you bet the flop and the turn there......now i am not suggesting throwing out a huge bet which would chase your opponents off or whatever but simply checking and giving your opponents free cards and free chances to catch up to you and crack your set is not a good play. Hope that explanation helps.
Slowplay and shove if a flush draw presents itself on the turn
Have to agree, make them pay to see the next street...never let them see a free card unless you have a monster
first of all, the bord was not dry, there was a straight draw, and the opponent had it, and you gave him a free card, so the checking in the flop is wrong. Hope you learn to never slowplay trips again, it can cost you all your chips
as much as it might not make sense to you to do this, you need to go ahead and bet something on the flop and the turn because you need to do your best to build the pot up. When you just check both streets you are allowing your opponents to see free cards and giving them a chance to catch up on your top set.
It sounds like a hand that was just going to happen. He wasn't folding on the flop or turn. That mothafuckin' fish was chasing all the way to the bait.
I mean that's just fish playing,first off if you pfr'd it then he had no business being in the hand,and there was no getting away from him once he was open ended he would insta called a shove prob
Like most people said on here, you slow-played your set way too dramatically......you need to build the pot up, even if its a 1 or 2 BB bet
was open and u give him a free card.some players chase even 4 outs on river and hit.
That's the same guy that sits at my table. He is a pro. He out played you. I see him at every table I sit at. He plays cash or sit and goes.
I usually just try to protect sets since they can be beat a lot of the times...
that is a terrible turn of events.