KK v AA who would fold? how pro are you?

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08-09-2013, 03:58 PM
dk12

KK v AA who would fold? how pro are you?

heres a hand that crippled me in a 500 deep $12... i was on the brink of folding... cuz it sooooo felt like AA... but then im practically freerollin.. so i was like what the heck!

still in it... ahhhh i need a 2xup

Game started at: 2013/8/9 15:30:48
Game ID: 187184077 100/200 $500 GTD Deep Stack, Table 6 (Hold'em)
Seat 3 is the button
Seat 2: nwm3432 (12528).
Seat 3: mustangfella (5890).
Seat 4: 1SickJoker (16725).
Seat 5: npopa6 (5976).
Seat 6: SmokeyRdokie (10990).
Seat 7: Coleman285 (7848).
Seat 8: Diglett (2929).
Seat 9: chrisang (11827).
Player 1SickJoker ante (20)
Player npopa6 ante (20)
Player SmokeyRdokie ante (20)
Player Coleman285 ante (20)
Player Diglett ante (20)
Player chrisang ante (20)
Player nwm3432 ante (20)
Player mustangfella ante (20)
Player 1SickJoker has small blind (100)
Player npopa6 has big blind (200)
Player 1SickJoker received card: [Ks]
Player 1SickJoker received card: [Kh]
Player npopa6 received a card.
Player npopa6 received a card.
Player SmokeyRdokie received a card.
Player SmokeyRdokie received a card.
Player Coleman285 received a card.
Player Coleman285 received a card.
Player Diglett received a card.
Player Diglett received a card.
Player chrisang received a card.
Player chrisang received a card.
Player nwm3432 received a card.
Player nwm3432 received a card.
Player mustangfella received a card.
Player mustangfella received a card.
Player SmokeyRdokie folds
Player Coleman285 raises (500)
Player Diglett folds
Player chrisang calls (500)
Player nwm3432 folds
Player mustangfella folds
Player 1SickJoker raises (1300)
Player npopa6 folds
Player Coleman285 raises (2300)
Player chrisang folds
Player 1SickJoker allin (15305)
Player Coleman285 allin (5028)
Uncalled bet (8877) returned to 1SickJoker
*** FLOP ***: [3h 2s 7h]
*** TURN ***: [3h 2s 7h] [Jd]
*** RIVER ***: [3h 2s 7h Jd] [10c]
------ Summary ------
Pot: 16516. Rake 0
Board: [3h 2s 7h Jd 10c]
Player nwm3432 does not show cards.Bets: 20. Collects: 0. Loses: 20.
Player mustangfella does not show cards.Bets: 20. Collects: 0. Loses: 20.
Player 1SickJoker shows: One pair of Ks [Ks Kh]. Bets: 7848. Collects: 0. Loses: 7848.
Player npopa6 does not show cards.Bets: 220. Collects: 0. Loses: 220.
Player SmokeyRdokie does not show cards.Bets: 20. Collects: 0. Loses: 20.
*Player Coleman285 shows: One pair of As [Ad Ac]. Bets: 7848. Collects: 16516. Wins: 8668.
Player Diglett does not show cards.Bets: 20. Collects: 0. Loses: 20.
Player chrisang does not show cards.Bets: 520. Collects: 0. Loses: 520.
Game ended at: 2013/8/9 15:32:25
08-09-2013, 04:00 PM
IWASLION

"how pro are you" implies pros lay down KK under paranoia of being up against AA. Only with a VERY solid read on an opponent would any winning player ever lay down KK to a preflop shove.
08-09-2013, 04:01 PM
dpadgett1

i lay down kings to aces every time it happens. i do it in my sleep
08-09-2013, 04:02 PM
dk12

Quote:

Originally Posted by IWASLION

"how pro are you" implies pros lay down KK under paranoia of being up against AA. Only with a VERY solid read on an opponent would any winning player ever lay down KK to a preflop shove.

i know you may like to sound intelligent but if you dont even know how the hand played out.. why leave a comment?

"how pro are you" doesnt imply any of that dumbfuck shit.
08-09-2013, 04:04 PM
IWASLION

Quote:

Originally Posted by dk12

i know you may like to sound intelligent but if you dont even know how the hand played out.. why leave a comment?

"how pro are you" doesnt imply any of that dumbfuck shit.

Oh sorry I thought you were looking for feedback, how stupid of me. You posted the hand history then accuse me of not knowing how it played out? Sorry if I misunderstood what you meant by "how pro are you". I must deserve to be called a "dumbfuck shit". You OK dude?
08-09-2013, 04:07 PM
dk12

yes. EVERYTHING you commented on had absolutly nothing to do with the actual hand and how it played...... it seems to me you just read the title of this thread and commented on that...

silly tard.
08-09-2013, 04:11 PM
dpadgett1

poker..... OWNED
08-09-2013, 04:13 PM
jmonking67

cba reading entire hand history, at the end of the day folding KK preflop is an extremely losing play and idc what you "feel" he has lol
08-09-2013, 04:14 PM
thisisprobascam

Never folding there, just a cooler. Unless you have a sick read which is super to easy to claim after the fact, just take the beat and move on.
08-09-2013, 04:15 PM
PokeYourFace

yea, with the stack sizes, im not folding... plus you may have thought that he thought you were trying to make a squeeze play. I dont see anything wrong with what happened. KK<AA is just chalked up to unlucky.
08-09-2013, 04:16 PM
PokeYourFace

i guess the new subject of this thread is the whole "how pro are you" statement...

i could tell it was just a loose statement my dk12... i dont think he was being literal at all

just a heading to add more excitement to the BroolStoryCo
08-09-2013, 04:18 PM
dk12

Quote:

Originally Posted by PokeYourFace

i guess the new subject of this thread is the whole "how pro are you" statement...

i could tell it was just a loose statement my dk12... i dont think he was being literal at all

just a heading to add more excitement to the BroolStoryCo

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh shit!!!!! a Brain!
08-09-2013, 04:19 PM
IWASLION

So it was a trap to those who may actually answer the rhetorical headline?
08-09-2013, 04:20 PM
PokeYourFace

rhetorical headline... i like that also.

you guys need to chill

game recognize game, ok
08-10-2013, 10:30 AM
bakreni12

that is cooler never ever folding KK
08-10-2013, 01:25 PM
matiusaa

it is call here, it is more rentable in the long run, cause your opponent won't have AA every time
08-10-2013, 06:16 PM
TomKat1958

All pockets are just a pair... they get beat all the time... no heavy bets or calls until you've at least seen the flop.
08-13-2013, 01:04 AM
Pray4Spades

AA or KK is an instant 4-5 bet all in, I don't care I what happens I will always shove those hands preflop.
08-13-2013, 01:55 AM
dudemanstan

never folding ever never no not ever!!!! my but itches.
08-13-2013, 03:54 PM
thisisprobascam

Quote:

Originally Posted by TomKat1958

All pockets are just a pair... they get beat all the time... no heavy bets or calls until you've at least seen the flop.

Not this. No aggression and spewy play by lots of calling and checking just to see the flop is a massive leak. Not saying its never correct but to avoid big pots all together just in case you get beat on a bad flop is poor play.
08-13-2013, 06:44 PM
greengiant

Well I would say that about 98 percent of the time I would push it with KK.
08-15-2013, 12:58 PM
babydrago9

You shouldn't ever be folding KK preflop no matter if you think or 'feel' he has AA, unless you are playing super tight to get needed money or something... You are usually always holding the best hand and if they had AA you just have to know its a super cooler and theres nothing which you could have done.
08-15-2013, 01:03 PM
Ric1210

Any its good hands
08-15-2013, 05:29 PM
mikey4141

Pkt kings suck! pkt kings always is my last hand in tourneys!
08-15-2013, 06:33 PM
PursuitofPlay

I would say that I've played KK more times when I should have laid them down than I've actually laid them down, but those times do still exist :)
08-16-2013, 11:30 AM
discinitup

I know that I would never fold KK preflop to a shove but at what point can you start to think about folding your pair... if it is QQ or JJ does it make the fold easier to do?
08-16-2013, 04:12 PM
thisisprobascam

Quote:

Originally Posted by discinitup

I know that I would never fold KK preflop to a shove but at what point can you start to think about folding your pair... if it is QQ or JJ does it make the fold easier to do?

It depends on the situation and the opponent. There are people I see at the tables all the time that I would never fold JJ to in any situation, and other people, mainly old guys, that Ill lay down QQ to 90% of the time.