HUSNG a good way to build your BR?

With a $20 bankroll, do you think $2.15 turbo HUSNG's are a solid way to build my bankroll? I'm confident in my HU play and I'm pretty sure I can dominate at this micro level, so do you think having just under 10 buy-ins is enough? Also, do you experience more variance playing HUSNG's or STT 9max SNG'S? I would think you would experience less variance playing HUSNG's because you only have to beat out one player to win instead of 8 others, so therefore a proper bankroll for HUSNG's would require less buy-ins than a proper bankroll for 9max STT SNG's. Do you agree?

In order to profit at HU you have to maintain a high win rate. You'll only ever double you money where as with a 9 man SnG you'll have a chance to win 3 buy ins rather than 1. The rake on these games is rather high as well. That eats away at profit as well so technically you aren't actually doubling your money.

If you can crush these stakes then I would go for it. On the surface it does seem easier since you only have to beat one person, but i'm sure you know that there is a lot of bluffing and speculative play at HU. You will need to be levels ahead of your competition.

No, I don't think 10 buy-ins would be enough. Also, I'm finding it hard to articulate why, but my gut feeling is that variance might be worse at the HUSNGs. Something along the lines of since you are playing HU, the affects of variance will be more noticeable and could potentially cause greater swings in your BR. Don't know for sure, but that is my gut feeling. I'd advise DoNs until you got to like 15 (but preferably 20) buyins and then grind away at your HUSNGs. Just my opinion, based on speculation. Take it for what you will.

if youre confident and you dominate then why not? but i think an easier way is to play nonstop in the double up SNGs... those are really easy. almost impossible to not place in 1/2 the field.

Yeah, im thinkin u need more BIs than that, ud probly wanna start w/min 20 or so.

I also dont think the DoNs r that good of a way to build BRs either, ud hafta have like a 75% cash rate im thinkin to be profitable after fees.

less than 10 buyins ,,,nope think you're going to suffer,,,hit a bad downswing and you're broke before you come out of it...

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Originally Posted by wagon596

less than 10 buyins ,,,nope think you're going to suffer,,,hit a bad downswing and you're broke before you come out of it...

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+1 I think theres too much variance in HU sng's. Maybe you are on a good run but dont count on it to stay consistent. Poker has a way of humbling confidence

I would definitely wait until you have 20 BIs.

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Originally Posted by wagon596

less than 10 buyins ,,,nope think you're going to suffer,,,hit a bad downswing and you're broke before you come out of it...

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The more I have thought about it, the more I agree with you guys. It is tempting, but I want to manage my bankroll right for the first time. Thanks for the helpful reminders.

The DoN SnGs are identical to HU since you need such a high win rate. I would say that variance will be lower in the DoNs because the outcome can be determined by other players i.e you fold to the money some times.

If ur gonna build using HU Sn'Gs, don't expect the play to be intermediate.

I played a $100.00 HU match and it was easier then a $1.50 match...

Since there's so much variance in poker (2-3os called from a donk ruins aa,kk,qq) so I think to build you need to enter a tourney or ring game depending on your mood. Sticking with one mode isn't good.

Yeah i dont think its enough of a br for that a 20-30 Buyin cushion would barely be safe ! Not that your ever really safe lol

I have to agree with some of the other people who have chimed in on this thread. I think that Heads up SNG's is not a good way to try and build a bankroll dude to the tourney fee that is charged and the amount of money it is possible to win. Just my 2 cents though.

well at least your chances are fifty fifty so ...........

i like mtt i have my best luck there the highest roi

I play what i like to play, not into alot of effort

I think I'll give the DoN's a try and see how that goes. I just really enjoy HU play and I don't have a bankroll big enough to play in ring game HU. The reason I like HU so much is because you can be creative and a lot of it is about feel and game flow. I know how to work my opponent and stay in control even if I am not getting good hands.

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Originally Posted by tturne01

I think I'll give the DoN's a try and see how that goes. I just really enjoy HU play and I don't have a bankroll big enough to play in ring game HU. The reason I like HU so much is because you can be creative and a lot of it is about feel and game flow. I know how to work my opponent and stay in control even if I am not getting good hands.

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A lot of the times it can be a calamity factor.

I played a 1v1 $1.50 match and now that I think about it, the only way I coulda won was to just go all-in every hand. The guy was raising air each turn and the blinds were such that I couldn't use my superior skill/patience to beat him; that or chug a beer and play, lol.

'Deep Stack, No Blind Increases' HU matches are the way to go. There's just too much calamity in working out your opponent and wasting 5-6 blinds to do so.

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Originally Posted by tturne01

With a $20 bankroll, do you think $2.15 turbo HUSNG's are a solid way to build my bankroll? I'm confident in my HU play and I'm pretty sure I can dominate at this micro level, so do you think having just under 10 buy-ins is enough? Also, do you experience more variance playing HUSNG's or STT 9max SNG'S? I would think you would experience less variance playing HUSNG's because you only have to beat out one player to win instead of 8 others, so therefore a proper bankroll for HUSNG's would require less buy-ins than a proper bankroll for 9max STT SNG's. Do you agree?

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Buying into any game for $2.15 is horrible bankroll management if you have $20. You're just asking to go broke. My advice would be to find a cheaper game to play, or stick to freerolls and get the bankroll up a bit higher.

Even hating to admit it, i think ssuglia is right, i think u just being a little anxious, maybe a higher br would be more appropriate to start playing higher buy-ins tourneys.

play dolphin rooms easy way to sustain a br

I agree with king, it is a bit of a super grind in the HUSNG as you are fighting the monster rake. I have played the DoN tournaments in the past to build up my roll from around 20-30 dollars.

I imagine your variance would also be through the roof

Its best to mix it up ! double up, bounties, rebuys... gets good rate.

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Originally Posted by eqgh5uea

If ur gonna build using HU Sn'Gs, don't expect the play to be intermediate.

I played a $100.00 HU match and it was easier then a $1.50 match...

Since there's so much variance in poker (2-3os called from a donk ruins aa,kk,qq) so I think to build you need to enter a tourney or ring game depending on your mood. Sticking with one mode isn't good.

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Hi there, its jim remember? from the gym? lol anyways, heads up supertubo is good way to profit i won 9 out 10 on lock yesterday and plan to grind 100 of them tommorow. no more than 2 going at a time.

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Originally Posted by trudizzle

play dolphin rooms easy way to sustain a br

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i think dolphin room takes too long and in the latter stages with any SNG its more of the gamble gamble time with the blindss outrageious so definately a gamble....
I mean really ppl, The sit and go games has been learned by all now, the recreational SNG like we used to see are now more. I mean you got 9 guys at a table. Everyones a grinder and where does that leave room for you to slide ez win in it anywhere? lol
For the biggest ROI - return on investment play either cash games and MTT.
TRIX

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Originally Posted by Bagoftrix

i think dolphin room takes too long and in the latter stages with any SNG its more of the gamble gamble time with the blindss outrageious so definately a gamble....
I mean really ppl, The sit and go games has been learned by all now, the recreational SNG like we used to see are now more. I mean you got 9 guys at a table. Everyones a grinder and where does that leave room for you to slide ez win in it anywhere? lol
For the biggest ROI - return on investment play either cash games and MTT.
TRIX

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I agree with you completely on this statement. I think the days of easy SNG wins are over, at least on carbon. Most people know basic SNG strategy and I played a DoN and people just played so tight it the blinds got ridiculously high and it was just a gamble shove/fold fest with 7 people. Kind of boring to me. I think cash games and MTT are where I'm going to stick.

you have to be really good to win consistently in HU & SNg & up ur BR

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Originally Posted by tturne01

I agree with you completely on this statement. I think the days of easy SNG wins are over, at least on carbon. Most people know basic SNG strategy and I played a DoN and people just played so tight it the blinds got ridiculously high and it was just a gamble shove/fold fest with 7 people. Kind of boring to me. I think cash games and MTT are where I'm going to stick.

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Some guy kept raising air in a blind increase-based tourney and it took t 5-6 blinds to figure it out. By that time it was 800-2200 for him. I think if I just woulda shoved back a couple of times it woulda made for an more interesting game.

If you're gonna play HU I think you gotta use calamity over falacy and play a 'deep stack, no blind increase' tourney.