do u think i played this wrong

i think i may have been able to get more out of him what ya think



Game started at: 2013/11/8 15:10:55
Game ID: 217867889 250/500 BIG10 - $1,000 GTD, Table 1 (Hold'em)
Seat 7 is the button
Seat 1: TheWynn (35330).
Seat 4: pranesh (5400).
Seat 5: Rhinoontilt24 (10223).
Seat 6: Boney526 (11192).
Seat 7: Shia la Bowflex (10087).
Seat 8: supernutspoker (21677).
Seat 9: Cpt.Dirty (40945).
Player supernutspoker ante (50)
Player Cpt.Dirty ante (50)
Player TheWynn ante (50)
Player pranesh ante (50)
Player Rhinoontilt24 ante (50)
Player Boney526 ante (50)
Player Shia la Bowflex ante (50)
Player supernutspoker has small blind (250)
Player Cpt.Dirty has big blind (500)
Player supernutspoker received card: [10s]
Player supernutspoker received card: [10d]
Player Cpt.Dirty received a card.
Player Cpt.Dirty received a card.
Player TheWynn received a card.
Player TheWynn received a card.
Player pranesh received a card.
Player pranesh received a card.
Player Rhinoontilt24 received a card.
Player Rhinoontilt24 received a card.
Player Boney526 received a card.
Player Boney526 received a card.
Player Shia la Bowflex received a card.
Player Shia la Bowflex received a card.
Player TheWynn raises (1245)
Player pranesh folds
Player Rhinoontilt24 folds
Player Boney526 folds
Player Shia la Bowflex folds
Player supernutspoker calls (995)
Player Cpt.Dirty folds
*** FLOP ***: [8c 4h 10c]
Player supernutspoker checks
Player TheWynn checks
*** TURN ***: [8c 4h 10c] [2h]
Player supernutspoker bets (1114)
Player TheWynn calls (1114)
*** RIVER ***: [8c 4h 10c 2h] [Kd]
Player supernutspoker bets (2784)
Player TheWynn calls (2784)
Player TheWynn mucks cards
------ Summary ------
Pot: 11136. Rake 0
Board: [8c 4h 10c 2h Kd]
Player TheWynn mucks (does not show cards). Bets: 5193. Collects: 0. Loses: 5193.
Player pranesh does not show cards.Bets: 50. Collects: 0. Loses: 50.
Player Rhinoontilt24 does not show cards.Bets: 50. Collects: 0. Loses: 50.
Player Boney526 does not show cards.Bets: 50. Collects: 0. Loses: 50.
Player Shia la Bowflex does not show cards.Bets: 50. Collects: 0. Loses: 50.
*Player supernutspoker shows: Three Of Kind of 10s [10s 10d]. Bets: 5193. Collects: 11136. Wins: 5943.
Player Cpt.Dirty does not show cards.Bets: 550. Collects: 0. Loses: 550.
Game ended at: 2013/11/8 15:11:49

Its hard to say what the other person would have done. At least you won the hand!!

wat? it looks like u played it perfectly nice!

Dont know whats up with the weird number your betting but you wasnt going to get much more out of him. looks like he was betting a pkt pair preflop maybe..

Yea definetly, you should've made an 10 BB raise on the preflop

If he's just calling each street and mucking in the end, I doubt you would have gotten him to come along with you. You might have gotten more out of him preflop, but at that point your 10's could easily be dominated on the flop. IMO you did fine.

kinda hard to follow the hh.. but seems fine

7-handed, i'd usually 3-bet pre here during the ante part of the tourney. Especially being in the sb. Just make sure you have a fold button post-fllop if the flop is nasty.

nah, it's usually here-say

thanks guys I wasn't sure if id get more or not but worried maybe I rushed the hand a little. and not betting enouph but I didn't want to scare him off either

He's the big stack and likely opening very wide. I don't see a 3bet pre-flop as being very intelligent, since you have a nice pile to lose (and he's one of only two stacks that can take em from ya) and there's no need to inflate the pot further from out of position. There are going to be a TON of flops that make you squirm when you are first to act. I think you handled it well pre-flop.

But on that flop, I'm betting out around 80% of the time. What you're really hoping for is for him to also have a hand that he loves. If he doesn't love his hand, like an AK or KQ, you still might get a nice float from him, but when you check to him you give him the opportunity to check as well. If he likes the flop, with a hand like AT or JT, he may even fall into your trap with a raise, thinking that your bet is a block, or that you wouldn't bet out a hand as strong as that. The whole idea when flopping a set is to get the stacks in the middle, and the best way is to try to induce a raise. In your wettest dreams, he also flopped a set, but maybe he's got an overpair. It would appear not in this case, but still, a solid player is likely to check back a lot of hands there if he likes his, in the hopes that you catch something on the turn, especially something like AA, KK, or AKc.

You should be making the biggest bet you think he'll call on virtually every street. Unless he's spewy, in which case a little bet might induce the bluff you seek. But since you missed the opportunity on the flop, there's no need to milk the turn. You sort of played it like you were worried he was going to fold. Well, if he's decent and he missed, there's nothing you can do. But if he's hit, or he's over that board, you want to give him some rope to tie his own noose.

Just my 2 cents.

Think you did Ok but was he playing fast or slow? it's hard to tell from what you posted.

~Swordcall

I would of probably 3-betted preflop, but you won the hand! No complaints there man, you got the most you could get out of him after the flop.

Not Wrong at all... I mean you led in perfect and followed up like a genius just luck of the draw :/ or unluck

Yep i like hero not 3betting 10s in this spot. It would be extremely awkward bloating the pot up with that hand oop and with these stack sizes. I rather 3bet QQ+ and AKo and AKs.*

However, i do not like donk betting the flop because you take away his chance of cbetting the flop with complete air that missed. Since hero has a set, it makes it unlikely that villain has a 10 in his range. So hes basically cbetting most of his range on the flop and only continuing on the turn if he improves his equity or if he thinks the turn card is a blank.*

I can't ever see a random villain check back overpairs with flush and straight draws on the board as well as stuff like AKs with two overs and a fd. *With those hands against random heroes i believe villain would always bet 3 streets of value most of the time/gii on the flop

I think it's more likely villain would check back hands that have SD value like middle pair so they would try and get 1-2 streets of value on the turn and river instead of getting check raised on the flop.

But yeah, definitely bet the biggest amount u think villain would call. Build dat pot up to get maximize value yo!

Looks fine to me. You probably could have bet 3500ish on the river, but besides that, it looks like you extracted max value.

yes you played it totally wrong if u have to ask the question then you know the answer.

nah , sometimes u just have to take what u get & move on

you played it fine just got unlucky

your asking to speculate if you could have gotten more? I think a lot of that comes with knowing your opponent and thats where notes come in and can be really helpful.

I had the same hand a little while ago. I flopped a set of 10's. I got lucky that the other guy had a 10 in his hand and shoved all in to my raise. Doubled me up to put me in 2nd. Good play on your part.

I find it better to always let someone else take the aggressive stance in the hand.

Read the hand fellows... I LOST lmao

Yeah i agree with alew. I would generally 3 bet preflop. Especially coming out of the small blind, it really looks like a strong hand / play.

I have played against the Wynn pretty often and he can be pretty aggressive preflop but rarely so in the UTG position. I suspect at the very least he would have a-10ss or a pp of 7's or higher.
I definitely would lead into him though having flopped top set and a board that does not contain a flush draw. He would float a bet with 2 overs here hoping to pick up a pair or even a straight draw. I think betting about 1/3rd pot is a great lead under most circumstances although at times I will lead for 1/2 or even 2/3rd pot. It definitely depends on the situation though and can be so position and player variable to say when I do bet more.

One thing I do when playing in a tournament is to play at the same tempo as often as possible not to tip my opponents off one way or the other on the strength or weakness of my hand. Of course you do have tough decisions at times and therefore you do have to take the time and think things through.

Yes, you could have won more by betting all three post flop betting rounds. Plain and simple. That is clearly the best play under most circumstances. Still, you never know. He is capable of getting away from some of his weaker holdings here but how much are you going to win if he does have a weak hand? a lot less downside and more upside betting that set given his raise and his position in the hand!

Finally, I would rarely 3 bet it preflop from the sb against an UTG raiser. Even if it is 7 handed. The risk of him coming over the top is too great and that is a tough decision you will then have to make. You also do have the BB who could (albeit rarley) wake up with a real hand too. If The initial raiser was in late position I would probably 3 bet the 10's. but not in this particular scenario.
Weewayz

i would agree here i find it hard to 3 bet in SB or BB only because you are giving up position which is huge i think i flat call here then play the flop aggressive i think overall you will get more value for ur hands this way. I think the only hands i 3bet with in SB and BB is KK and AA but that is just me and my opinion you wont be so commited to the pot this way and would be able to get away from a hand if need be.

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Originally Posted by weewayz

I have played against the Wynn pretty often and he can be pretty aggressive preflop but rarely so in the UTG position. I suspect at the very least he would have a-10ss or a pp of 7's or higher.
I definitely would lead into him though having flopped top set and a board that does not contain a flush draw. He would float a bet with 2 overs here hoping to pick up a pair or even a straight draw. I think betting about 1/3rd pot is a great lead under most circumstances although at times I will lead for 1/2 or even 2/3rd pot. It definitely depends on the situation though and can be so position and player variable to say when I do bet more.

One thing I do when playing in a tournament is to play at the same tempo as often as possible not to tip my opponents off one way or the other on the strength or weakness of my hand. Of course you do have tough decisions at times and therefore you do have to take the time and think things through.

Yes, you could have won more by betting all three post flop betting rounds. Plain and simple. That is clearly the best play under most circumstances. Still, you never know. He is capable of getting away from some of his weaker holdings here but how much are you going to win if he does have a weak hand? a lot less downside and more upside betting that set given his raise and his position in the hand!

Finally, I would rarely 3 bet it preflop from the sb against an UTG raiser. Even if it is 7 handed. The risk of him coming over the top is too great and that is a tough decision you will then have to make. You also do have the BB who could (albeit rarley) wake up with a real hand too. If The initial raiser was in late position I would probably 3 bet the 10's. but not in this particular scenario.
Weewayz

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yea you don't want to scare him out of the pot. I get greedy some times and try to stack em cuz I know a lot of times the will pay you off.