Check my line: $1 100 gtd carbon FO

Some of these decisions will be fairly "standard" or obvious, but the goal of this thread is to get detailed analysis of each street.

About the preflop check: With an offsuit connecter and two limpers to my BB, a check here is the only play with 18bb. A reraise would be horrendous against players who are so inclined to see the flop and unlikely to fold to a 2bet


HUD stats: shred09 = VPIP=27, PFR=3, Agg=47
LenaK333= VPIP=42, PFR=8, Agg= 100

Unfortunately Carbon replayer doesn't include stacks, but effective depth was~ 18bb

Hero is pingpongpro. Hero is dealt 3s, 2c

SquisheeeFishy Posts Ante 15.00
guyplayingcards Posts Ante 15.00
shred09 Posts Ante 15.00
acesKingMaster1 Posts Ante 15.00
LenaK333 Posts Ante 15.00
pingpongpro Posts Ante 15.00
talkhill321allin Posts Ante 15.00
Yubway74 Posts Ante 15.00
LenaK333 Posts SB 75.00
pingpongpro Posts BB 150.00
talkhill321allin Folds
Yubway74 Folds
SquisheeeFishy Folds
guyplayingcards Folds
shred09 Calls 150.00
acesKingMaster1 Folds
LenaK333 Calls 75.00
pingpongpro Checks

Flop= 6h 3c 2h
LenaK333 Bets 150.00
pingpongpro ????

i would recommend a 3 bet here

Pf? Why? Their l/f ranges are very small if they exist at all. Plus, 18bb deep, a raise would b too much of my stack to risk w 23o. What would u recommend on flop

shove or call.. get read y to shove or fold turn.. small raise commits you on the turn and thats a nasty board for limped pot

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Originally Posted by pingpongpro

Pf? Why? Their l/f ranges are very small if they exist at all. Plus, 18bb deep, a raise would b too much of my stack to risk w 23o. What would u recommend on flop

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I don't get it, you ask for opinions and he gives you his and yet you seen annoyed.

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Originally Posted by PimpGameNTWUM

I don't get it, you ask for opinions and he gives you his and yet you seen annoyed.

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Srry, wasn't trying to b rude, just wrote it kinda hurriedly. I respect all opinions as that was the point of this thread. Was just trying 2 understand his reasoning.

@jcolee2: thx for response, good points

Flop: 6h 3c 2h
LenaK333 Bets 150.00
pingpongpro Calls 150.00
shred09 Calls 150.00

Flop: On this flop, I think calling and shoving are both viable options. I like shoving because it gets max value from lena's 6x, 77-TT combinations. However, I also like a call because it gets an overcall from shred09's A2-A6 combinations and 77-TT combinations, some of which might call the shove (not sure about that last part). All in all, I'm not sure which is better, but I opted to call because Lena had a 100% agg, meaning most likely (s)he would triple barrel giving me three streets of value and a good turn or river shove.

Turn: 6d
LenaK333 Bets 150.00
pingpongpro ????

PF obviously just check it. Flop I would raise 4x bb and I would shove basically any turn unless another 6 came. I want a large enough flop raise raise to narrow the field down to those that have a pair. I want anyone with overcards or long shot draws out because I don't want them getting lucky later. I would shove on the turn to make anyone that might still be chasing fold and would be hoping to take the pot down at that point. I would shut down if another 6 comes because I'm trying to narrow down the field to anyone with a pair and another 6 would counterfeit my 2 pair.

We want overcards calling because they need runner-runner to beat us (except if board pairs, which it did; still technically runner-runner). I kinda like a 4x raise, it sets up a 12bb pot with 13bb behind, good turn shove. By shut down, do you mean fold to his turn minbet?

PF played fine IMO. On flop, SB minbets and with Button-1 still to act, a 3x-4x raise (400-600 raise) on flop may not be bad. Based on action after, you may be able to get a good idea of their holdings, and if you get callers or a re-raise, you can re-evaluate. If the turn blanks, you can then shove and get max value against someone that may have a marginal 6 or chasing presto or is holding something like KT+. I'm not particularly a fan of check-call-shove on that kind of board since it's so drawy. I think a raise on the flop would give you a better idea of where you stand, and can effectively raise the pot high enough to where opps are getting good value to call a shove with a marginal holding if they are looking to hit, giving you a good shot at a double or triple-up.

I soul recommend that you all play the PO tourneys on carbon!

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We want overcards calling because they need runner-runner to beat us (except if board pairs, which it did; still technically runner-runner). I kinda like a 4x raise, it sets up a 12bb pot with 13bb behind, good turn shove. By shut down, do you mean fold to his turn minbet?

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I see that I posted my response before I saw the next installment.

I guess that's true about the overcards. My logic was really more that bottom 2 pair is a vulnerable hand so I would want to narrow down the field as much as possible. Whether or not I would completely fold to a mini bet would depend on what information I had on the player. I may call a mini bet on the turn with the intention of folding on the river to any bet. The key is I wouldn't call more then 1-2bb, and I probably wouldn't call if I thought I would be up against more then 1 opponent. I would only call the mini bet if I had put in the 4bb on the flop. If I had just called the flop like you did, I would fold the hand when the 6 came. You don't have much invested and still have a decent stack to play with.

After seeing how you played the flop, you had a very vulnerable hand that you didn't protect. By calling you are 1. Not getting max value out of a lucky hand and 2. Giving your opponent a chance to catch up which is probably very easy for them to do.

I would have raised, and go all in after that

i would recommend a 3 bet here

Raise shove flop and as played fold on the turn because ur 2pair is awful now. Reason why i like shoving flop is that 6x's, overpairs and FD's + gutter hands will call u. Also, u only have 18bbs so raising to an amount like 400-600 will look way too strong.

PF: Call---it's 2-3os!!!
FLP: 4-5x bb shove---call 2-bet.
TRN: Fold.