1st place in $3 Omaha Hi/Lo

played a tourney on carbon the other day and ended up taking it down. Had one memorable hand that wasnt huge or anything but wanted to get feedback w/ explanations from PO users on what they would have done in this hand.

Game: PLO Hi/lo (two tables left)
Blinds: 1-2k
My stack 20k and im in the SB with QJ34
one early limper, and we have 3 players to the flop with the pot now at 6k :QK5 flop
checked around to an 8 on the turn.
checked around again to see a Q on the river.

YOUVE MADE 3 QUEENS IN A POT THAT NOBODY THUS FAR HAS SHOWED MUCH INTEREST IN, DO YOU:
A) MAKE A VALUE BET, HOW MUCH?
B) CHECK WITH THE INTENTION OF CALLING ?

half pot value bet assuming a 3 card flush isn't on board

congrats on the take down i would say value bet also but what ever you did worked so keep up the good work!

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Originally Posted by Derickp55

congrats on the take down i would say value bet also but what ever you did worked so keep up the good work!

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haha ya ultimately i guess it did work! but i actually think i played the hand wrong. i did go for the value bet, but then i got raised and decided that given the situation is was nearly impossible that he was bluffing or that my QJ was good so i folded. i think i shud have just check called thus minimizing my loss and giving my opponents an option to bluff, afterall in order to make a value bet you have to get called by a worse hand, which with only QJ is hard to do, my opponent could easily have a full house with Q5,Q8 etc.
to bet in the spot that i did and expect to have the best hand and get paid off my opponent has to have sumthin like AK or Q10. unlikely.

congrats on the win...Keep up the good work....yodaofpoker

Very nice! Congratualtions on your win. :)

usually it says it's best to bet 2/3 of the pot. so if you would have bet half of the pot the rest would probably fold.

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Originally Posted by bmeelneg

half pot value bet assuming a 3 card flush isn't on board

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since you answered my other omaha thread with what i considered an insightful answer, can u explain why u think i shud make a bet? because in reality i did bet and subesquently got raised and surmised that it was very unlikely my opponent was bluffing this spot given how id seen him play etc and ultimately was forced to fold.., so looking back i actually prefer a check/call. if i bet i risk getting raised (possibly by a bluff but unlikely) , and in order for my bet to get called my opponents basically have to have Q10 Q9 AK or maybe AA(unlikely cuz it was a limp pot). Looking back i prefer some pot control and just check calling here either minimizing loss or giving my opponent an option to bluff.

Very nice! Congratualtions on your win.

congrats on the win...Keep up the good work

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Originally Posted by donny111

since you answered my other omaha thread with what i considered an insightful answer, can u explain why u think i shud make a bet? because in reality i did bet and subesquently got raised and surmised that it was very unlikely my opponent was bluffing this spot given how id seen him play etc and ultimately was forced to fold.., so looking back i actually prefer a check/call. if i bet i risk getting raised (possibly by a bluff but unlikely) , and in order for my bet to get called my opponents basically have to have Q10 Q9 AK or maybe AA(unlikely cuz it was a limp pot). Looking back i prefer some pot control and just check calling here either minimizing loss or giving my opponent an option to bluff.

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my answer in this thread was pretty generic ... my value bets and bluffs both tend to be around half pot ... disguises them

first off its really hard to get value out of a hand in O8 when OOP ... makes this is hard spot

Second there is a unique flow in O8 due to the split pot nature ...hi only guys who think its plo ... low only guys where any A2 will do ... AA jammers all the way ... ect ect. Without seeing the flow first hand (reads) its alot of guess work on whats best to do.

Having said all that ... haha that was a short version

KKxx for the over-full seems out of the question .... would have bet to protect the hand with broardway draws on the flop and low draws showing up on the turn. There is one Q left in the deck at the river and your opponent is saying he has it. Maybe 55 or 88 is possible but your better players are not jamming under-fulls.

IDK I might have check called ... if he had you beat and he bet pot you could have lost more. The thing I like about half sized pot bets is you get info without giving alot of info. You only have to be right 1 out of 3 times to break even.

Hard spot there being oop and short stacked ... with 10 BBs QJ34 isn't the hand I'm looking for ... I could have easily folded it pre.

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Originally Posted by bmeelneg

my answer in this thread was pretty generic ... my value bets and bluffs both tend to be around half pot ... disguises them

first off its really hard to get value out of a hand in O8 when OOP ... makes this is hard spot

Second there is a unique flow in O8 due to the split pot nature ...hi only guys who think its plo ... low only guys where any A2 will do ... AA jammers all the way ... ect ect. Without seeing the flow first hand (reads) its alot of guess work on whats best to do.

Having said all that ... haha that was a short version

KKxx for the over-full seems out of the question .... would have bet to protect the hand with broardway draws on the flop and low draws showing up on the turn. There is one Q left in the deck at the river and your opponent is saying he has it. Maybe 55 or 88 is possible but your better players are not jamming under-fulls.

IDK I might have check called ... if he had you beat and he bet pot you could have lost more. The thing I like about half sized pot bets is you get info without giving alot of info. You only have to be right 1 out of 3 times to break even.

Hard spot there being oop and short stacked ... with 10 BBs QJ34 isn't the hand I'm looking for ... I could have easily folded it pre.

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ya theres obviously no right answer, looking back i still prefer a check call rather than my bet, but ya i wasnt so much worried about 55 or 88 as something like Q8 OR Q5...or even AQ for that matter. could have folded preflop i guess but getting in for cheap with a reasonable hand i decided to call

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Originally Posted by donny111

... could have folded preflop i guess but getting in for cheap with a reasonable hand i decided to call

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I hear you on that and do the same more often then I should ... getting sucked into "its cheap" trap.


Playing devil's advocate here ... food for thought ... throwing this out there..

How much did you like your position ... your chip stack ... and your cards?


If I like one of those three things I might enter a pot ... if I like 2 of the three, I'm likely to enter the pot ... all 3 is a no brainer.

my calculation for your hand was zero of three ... of course there is more to poker then those 3 things but those are 3 major ones

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Originally Posted by bmeelneg

I hear you on that and do the same more often then I should ... getting sucked into "its cheap" trap.


Playing devil's advocate here ... food for thought ... throwing this out there..

How much did you like your position ... your chip stack ... and your cards?


If I like one of those three things I might enter a pot ... if I like 2 of the three, I'm likely to enter the pot ... all 3 is a no brainer.

my calculation for your hand was zero of three ... of course there is more to poker then those 3 things but those are 3 major ones

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thats true. but in any case the question was asking what to do on the river not whether i shud have been in the hand or not. its equivalent to hold em when limping in the sb with 42 or something, sure your gonna lose an overwhelming amount of the time but you also have the potential to break someone for a small amount of chips. for instance the 9 times outta 10 you lose with 42 may or may not be made up with a huge score when u flop a str8, trips, 2 pair. different game but same analogy, the hands not great but ill risk the small limp to try and flop big and break sum1. everyone has their own way of playing and opinion, i dont mind a limp in that spot.

Congrats on the win keep it up !