Do not deal with jaytodd28

16$ BR to grind 1.60 9 man turbos on lock poker. 60/40 cut +sb. if the horse grinds the roll to 45$ he can move up to the 3.85 9 mans. this will be a 2 day stake. after 2 days i will take a look and reevaluate his stake. horse will agree to post a bust hand of every sng.


this is the original stake thread i made for this guy. as you read it its a fair and standard deal. was supposed to be a 2day stake which turned into 3 days since i passed out early last night after taking my family to dinner at ruby tuesdays. horse followed most of the rules in the beginning then decided to do shit his own way. 1st off he started by not posting any of the bust hands for over 24 hours. kept no communication in that time and just played his heart out. we then talked and i agreed to let him continue playing but make sure he posted rails after 2-4 games. he complied.

well today im up early and he messages me.

Jaytodd28: whats good??
Me: hoping to take this rebuy down
Me: be a nice end to stake
Me: where we at?
Jaytodd28: lol was at like 63 but decided to play a 9 dollar sit n go thats the last I posted then went to bed with 54.40
Me: whoa
Me: why you in a 9$ sng?
Jaytodd28: no $1 or 3$ filling up and it wsa 4 a.m. and it was almost full so said f*** it
Me: discipline sir. doesnt matter whats fillin and whats not. you have guidelines youre supposed to be following. blatent disregard for those guidelines is disrespectful
Jaytodd28: yea its whatever man!!
Me: so youre at what now?
Jaytodd28: 54
Me: ship 39.04 to [email protected]
Jaytodd28: haha lol im bout to send you $35
Me: 35?
Me: 39.04 is the correct amount
Me: you ship yet?
Jaytodd28: not 39!! Sure did though says pending on my part!!


thats been our conversation this morning. as you see his BR is $54.40. 54.40-16= 38.40. take 38.4x.6 for my % and you get 23.04. then you add back in the 16$ and you get 39.04 that shoulda been shipped to me. the guy shipped $36.40 and i can show a screenshot if needed to confirm the amount.

its not a huge amount here guys. $2.64 is what he shorted me. its the principle of it all. when you are being staked you DO NOT MAKE YOUR OWN RULES. also, you DO NOT SHIP WHATEVER YOU THINK YOU SHOULD. also if you notice in our conversation he decided on his own to play a 9$ sng. nowhere in the stake does it stake 9$ sngs are allowed.

this guy is a total fking tool and needs to be banned before he screws over another member. yea i priffitted but its not the point. gl to all who read this and avoid this guy at all costs

that sucks....


stake me next lolll

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Originally Posted by gimmeabrew

that sucks....


stake me next lolll

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gonna stop staking ppl period if i keep running into ppl like this. havent seen sssshipiTT for almost a week either and he has some of my stake money. im finding all the dirtbags for you guys

i understand where ure cummin from tommy u are a serious staker and u have helped alot of people and u do this with strict and fair rules, i imagine ud of still had a go at him if hed won the $9 because its not always about how much u win its how you do it...i hope the guy learns from his mistakes

Im your horse tommy you know that.......lets grind!!!

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Originally Posted by JasonColeman

Im your horse tommy you know that.......lets grind!!!

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you done excellent jason. followed all the rules perfectly and made us some money. most people have done the same as far as following the rules. we as a community just need to weed out the dumbasses

damn yeah that's not good best of luck to ya.

I totally agree my ninja!!!

i do think this should be a bannable offense. its outright theft. cmon zab drop banhammer

gimmeeee ~ to funny ..I wonder why people would pay for others to play ~ guess itsa $$$ thing ..its still a gamble more so for the peeps doen the staken ~not so much the playas ! Isn't all gamblen risky ~ and should we be responsible for all our gamblen choices ? I bet on myself so only myself to blame for failing . ~just say'n

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Originally Posted by onehotdame

gimmeeee ~ to funny ..I wonder why people would pay for others to play ~ guess itsa $$$ thing ..its still a gamble more so for the peeps doen the staken ~not so much the playas ! Isn't all gamblen risky ~ and should we be responsible for all our gamblen choices ? I bet on myself so only myself to blame for failing . ~just say'n

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yes its risky but some players are good moneymakers. why not utilize that and make a few dollars?

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Originally Posted by tommy62278

yes its risky but some players are good moneymakers. why not utilize that and make a few dollars?

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me me me pick me pick me

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Originally Posted by gimmeabrew

me me me pick me pick me

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youre missin the point of this thread

I dont know how this system works?
I looks like a trust thing.
And if you got your money back with profit it looks pretty fine to me.
I agree if you make some agreements about things you have to follow it.
And it would be a bad thing if you stop doing it.

Keep up the good work

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Originally Posted by theopimus

I dont know how this system works?
I looks like a trust thing.
And if you got your money back with profit it looks pretty fine to me.
I agree if you make some agreements about things you have to follow it.
And it would be a bad thing if you stop doing it.





Keep up the good work

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i got my money and profit, but not correct amout. guy being staked does not make his own terms PERIOD

break out the BANHAMMER WTF!!!!!!!

lol hilarious man!! guy gives me 16$ and I turn it in to 63 and then last nite played 1 game out of my suppose to be range of 8 to 9$ sit n go and ended up with 54.40 I give you 36.40 of it and keep 18$ for a 2 day stake!! Funny your complaining!!

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Originally Posted by Jaytodd28

lol hilarious man!! guy gives me 16$ and I turn it in to 63 and then last nite played 1 game out of my suppose to be range of 8 to 9$ sit n go and ended up with 54.40 I give you 36.40 of it and keep 18$ for a 2 day stake!! Funny your complaining!!

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you still didnt follow instructions and shorted him a few bucks

just give him the rest of the money and case closed

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Originally Posted by Jaytodd28

lol hilarious man!! guy gives me 16$ and I turn it in to 63 and then last nite played 1 game out of my suppose to be range of 8 to 9$ sit n go and ended up with 54.40 I give you 36.40 of it and keep 18$ for a 2 day stake!! Funny your complaining!!

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of course im complaining. you did not ship the correct amount. you did not follow the rules of the stake.

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Originally Posted by Jaytodd28

lol hilarious man!! guy gives me 16$ and I turn it in to 63 and then last nite played 1 game out of my suppose to be range of 8 to 9$ sit n go and ended up with 54.40 I give you 36.40 of it and keep 18$ for a 2 day
stake!! Funny your complaining!!

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Damn, sure feel bad for whoever you work for if u even work. Pay the man the rest of his money.

"Yeah boss, i sold $600 of merchandise for u the last 2 days, theres $450 in the register, since i did all the leg work n everything i kept $150 for myself. Oh n by the way i decided to go over on my meal budget too, Olive Garden was busy so i decided to order from that 5-star joint down the road."

You probly just fucked up a good thing here, ive been running for tommy for a lil over a month now n its pretty damn easy makin money w/o the risk of putting my own money at risk. Maybe if u pay him what u owe yinz can talk it over n hell give u another shot, i dont know.

you lend him money? why ever lend someone in the internet money o,O

Does zab actually having a staking section up? I remember a site along time ago a friend of mine use to use and pretty much all the math what what was paid/paid back was done for ya and given points to player for winning stakes and the staker for staking the players.

thought zab was just gunna lock this thread O.o strange

The math you are BOTH using is off. If Jay was NOT to play the $9.00 game, then that $9 must be included in the total for the stakeback. To wit:

Starting Bankroll: 16.00

Endng Bankroll: 54.40

Add unauthorised entry: +9.00

Actual end BR: 63.40

Subtract Original BR: -16.00

Profit = 47.40 (a nice profit I might add)

47.40 x.6 (stake holders percentage) = 28.44

Add 16.00 (original BR) = 44.44

Less payment from Jay = -36.40

Balance owing = 8.04


That's the correct math based on the information provided.

As to Jay's "$45.00" deffence, this is mute. By ANY STANDARD and all accepted staking principles, as long as you are playing with a bankroll funded by a STAKEHOLDER(s), any and ALL money in that bankroll belongs to the stakeholder untill such time as the stake agreement has been fully satisfied (read: paid in full). It DOES NOT matter that the stakeholder was not available to discuss, the terms of the stake are fully applicable.

Had Jay calculated Tommy's cut of the stake (including stake-back), AND sent him his money PRIOR to entering any further tourny's we would have nothing to discuss. This was not what happened however, and Jay is, in my opinion, in the wrong here (again, based soley on the information provided.). Of course, this does not stop JAY from playing with his own money OUTSIDE of the stake's bankroll balance.

Finaly, while I understand Tommy's feelings on the matter, I think he is overreacting. First and foremost expecting ZAB to ban Tommy for what is essentialy an off-site deal that has nothing to do with Pokerowned other then that they met here is just plain absurd.

Tommy needs to understand that there ARE RISKS to doing business with relative strangers. This is the OTHER reason why you start people at small stakes, not just to guage their play ability but also to measure their reliability. As the STAKEHOLDER you accept certain risks, and should react accordingly. Calling a person out publicly in this fashion does not count as "acting accordingly". The simple (and far less stressful) way to deal with such a situation is to take your money back, and invest it elsewhere. Trial and error Tommy, thats what staking is in the early stages. Trust me, you will get burned A LOT more severly then this in the furture. In the long run, if done right, and with a level head, you can make more then a few good bucks.

I did ;)

Good Luck guys.

To all PO members and Tommy I apologize for not giving you the extra 2$ I had owed you on lock, I thought about it a lot last nite, ive never once had a bad transaction nor a bad payment that ive dealt with!! I apologize, I honestly admit I wasnt counting the 16$ to begin with I was just counting what was made and it seemed a lil messed up, but then again Ive never been on a forum or never even tried to be stake or been staked, therefore my apologizes!!