every reason to rig

For those of you who say poker sites have no reason to rig/juice hands,think again. They absolutely have every reason to juice hands,for the sake of the rake. Even if they juice the hands just to raise the rake a couple of cents,you multiply that by the millions of hands that are played each day,and that adds up to a great deal of change!!Its utterly disgusting and unfortunate,because players are losing tens and even hundreds per hand just so the house can raise the rake. The more players they can entice to stay in and bet on any given hand only reaps the house rewards,HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS hands a day!!

if you don't like it, then don't play!! pretty god damn simple.

This is BS, how can u back this up? You can do simple math, but can you come up with evidence besides being outdrawn and bad beats that happen in all forms of poker.

fackofff

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Originally Posted by marlydog1812

This is BS, how can u back this up? You can do simple math, but can you come up with evidence besides being outdrawn and bad beats that happen in all forms of poker.

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dont have to back it up,makes perfect sense,and its pretty friggin obvious on the Merge network sites!!

Thats not good enough. Your just another whiner who crys donk and it being rigged.

Have you ever played live in a poker room? And Im not talking about your 5 dorky friends in a home game with a $5 buy-in.

sure have,and the action,or lack therof ,in a live play environment, only proves that the online action is surreal and unrealistic buddy!!

Well if there is a big lack of action why do draw outs and bad beats happen probably in the same proportion as online?

Seems to me that someone who plays a game for money and thinks that its rigged is quite the fool.

LOL if is it is but still like to play.

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Well if there is a big lack of action why do draw outs and bad beats happen probably in the same proportion as online?

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that is totally untrue and you know it. I guess I need to ask you if youv'e ever played live at a casino then!!!!!

Yes Im from Southern California. Ive played at Oceans 11, Pechanga, Trump 29, Aqua Caliente, Hollywood Park, Hustler, Bike, The shithole casino off the 15 in Lake Elsinore, and Harrahs outside of Ramona.

I dont know the numbers but you play an incredibly high number of hands online then live per hour. Throw in multi-tabling, your going to experience quite alot of set-back online. Seeing your an inexperienced and losing player equals more then the average player.

You still havent answered why u would invest your time and money in a game that you think iits rigged? That is really sad to think that and still bang your head against the wall when u lose.

I play the freerolls at merge network sites. Learned my lesson depositing there. The only site I presently deposit at is Bodog. I also play regularly in the poker rooms at Queen Victoria casino in Elgin Illinois and at Ho Chuck casino in Wisconsin Dells in Baraboo Wisconsin.

Ok I will agree to disagree seeing we are from the same neck of woods. I grew up in Downers Grove, used to play blackjack at Hollywood and at Harrahs in Joliet. Early 90's before poker was getting big....peace.

I do agree that that would be an incentive, but it just seems to me that it's not worth the risk of getting caught and losing all of the easy money that they have coming in.

Like Marly said, their are many things that come into play when playing on-line. One is multi-tabling. You will see a huge volume of hands an the chances of losing is a tough hand is higher. Also I have said in a different thread you will notice on Merge sites since it is one of the handful of sites still alive for U.S. players that there is a higher volume of more inexperienced players playing, so that being said they are of course going to be playing a lot more hands then say a decent poker player will. So your chances of getting beat is greater. I decent player can look back like hand histories and note players and adapt their play. If you want to be a winning player on-line it takes some leg work or just keep pounding your head against the wall and scream it's rigged.

I don't think poker sites are rigged and the reason why we see so many big hands and bad beats is because of the amount of hands played. As opposed to the live poker room where you only see about 20 hands an hour, you can see up to 100 hands an hour in an online poker room and even more if you are playing multiple tables. And I don't think that online poker rooms are looking to make a few extra cents per hand because they are already making huge money per rake.

If the sites juiced the deck (theoretically possible but not likely) then which player benefits from this? Wouldn't it be a wash?

I worry more about player collusion then sites rigging the deck. Actually I don't worry about the sites rigging the deck at all. Juicy hands would be evenly distributed amongst all the players. That is unless you think the villain in the 10 cent big blind has an "in" with the company to get his extra share of the juicy hands.

Yeah even though we see so many hands, I still see some of the same beats played out the EXACT same way as in board texture

Wow I hit some bad beats but u always want the people calli g when there way behind

sure we want them calling when they are way behing, we just dont want the to catch up or get ahead

Well, nobody forces you to play, so don´t play and you won´t have a problem with these rigged sites

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If the sites juiced the deck (theoretically possible but not likely) then which player benefits from this? Wouldn't it be a wash?

I worry more about player collusion then sites rigging the deck. Actually I don't worry about the sites rigging the deck at all. Juicy hands would be evenly distributed amongst all the players. That is unless you think the villain in the 10 cent big blind has an "in" with the company to get his extra share of the juicy hands.

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This is a very good post, also the sentence about collusion is a great one because this is a serious problem going on at POKERSTARS right now. Their is a forum over their that I am in and I can say players have reported about 200 hand histories of players openly in chat colluding. After talking with those members and figuring what to look for I would caution when sitting at cash tables to be mindful of the players at your table. Stars is a lot bigger site than the Merge sites but don't think for a second their aren't players here doing the same thing.

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This is a very good post, also the sentence about collusion is a great one because this is a serious problem going on at POKERSTARS right now. Their is a forum over their that I am in and I can say players have reported about 200 hand histories of players openly in chat colluding. After talking with those members and figuring what to look for I would caution when sitting at cash tables to be mindful of the players at your table. Stars is a lot bigger site than the Merge sites but don't think for a second their aren't players here doing the same thing.

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I would love a link to this if you don't mind ... either this thread or PM. LOL if they are openly doing it in PS chat that is moronic ... doing it via 3rd party chat (AIM or whatever) has been the concern ever since online poker has been around.

Having not seen the thread you are talking about, I'm guessing 99% is freeroll chat. I use to see that now and then ... never saw it when cash was involved.

I do not believe for a second that any site is rigged, the collusion though, yes that can be a concern. You just need to pay attention to the players, are any players soft playing each other, avoiding pots with each other, etc...

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if you don't like it, then don't play!! pretty god damn simple.

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I think thats well said.....each player has a choice where to play,,,,!

Its all about the game and how you play it. if you dont like it, dont hate the pllayer. hate the game

skype twitter any chat room can be used to collude
still suks though to be cheated
as for the sites well stay with the main ones should be alright

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I would love a link to this if you don't mind ... either this thread or PM. LOL if they are openly doing it in PS chat that is moronic ... doing it via 3rd party chat (AIM or whatever) has been the concern ever since online poker has been around.

Having not seen the thread you are talking about, I'm guessing 99% is freeroll chat. I use to see that now and then ... never saw it when cash was involved.

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I am not tech savvy enough to know how to copy the link, it is in the PSO forum and about 4 members post hand histories and have the chat highlighted for evidence. It is in free rolls and cash tables

60 minutes did segment when Absolute and UB had collusion trouble, 25 guys in same room on laptops all in same tourney sharing chips and hands.

Its well known trick and done in many sites.

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I am not tech savvy enough to know how to copy the link, it is in the PSO forum and about 4 members post hand histories and have the chat highlighted for evidence. It is in free rolls and cash tables

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pso = Poker school online or poker source online ??? anyways posting a link is easy ...

1. goto the page where the info is
2. in the address bar at the top it says something like www .PSO blahblahblah .com
3. highlight that info in the address bar ... right click it ... copy ....
4. right click ...paste ... in the section where you type your reply .... it will be click-able without any special kungfu ... in this forum at least

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pso = Poker school online or poker source online ??? anyways posting a link is easy ...

1. goto the page where the info is
2. in the address bar at the top it says something like www .PSO blahblahblah .com
3. highlight that info in the address bar ... right click it ... copy ....
4. right click ...paste ... in the section where you type your reply .... it will be click-able without any special kungfu ... in this forum at least

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There are members called ISEECOOKIES and Moxiepip and Monkeyskunk who are the best at spotting collusion and posting the players

then do as I do,,,play tournaments only,,,I don't think cash ring games are rigged,,,I just suck at them....

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then do as I do,,,play tournaments only,,,I don't think cash ring games are rigged,,,I just suck at them....

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yeah my cash game is horrid, I wish I could be better in them but I don't play them enough to improve my game.

cash games are a beast as well..if you bkroll low don't play cash games, small sng are the best way to play on carbon