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I just folded QQ preflop in a tourney on PS.
This is only the second time I've ever folded QQ preflop. The way this person played (user id MarekGda), suggests I was probably beating him, but not risking most of my chips this early in a tournament.
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i've folded AA KK QQ when i'ts early and some goes all in pre flop but most of the time i play the idiot and call and lose lol
I will fold aces preflop if too many people jam ahead of me in certain circumstances (unless other extenuating circumstances exist, like I'm short stacked, etc.). AA does not want four callers. Neither do any of the big PPs, really.
I've never folded KK pre-flop (I know two players who have), nor AA, and there aren't many spots I would do so either. Post-flop is a completely different matter of course. Best hand I've folded on the river is a full house, and it was the correct fold as well as someone else had a better full house. Don't think I could fold quads on the river and don't think I would flat call it either.
I am like marlais, I will fold AA preflop or any other high pocket pair, even too many people are going all in..
I have done that before in a live game and It still crosses my mind. I didn't want to bubble and was in about 5th place...ended up placing third but maybe couldhave done better
very good son, nice job . hahahahhaha
I have folded JJ pre flop , but QQ , KK , AA almost never fold pre flop..
Also folded a full house on the river in the PO tourney today.
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I have folded JJ QQ pre but never AA or KK...I would just havent got them that close to bubble b4
anybody who would fold AA or KK shouldnt even be playing. Why would you ever fold AA you have to play it and just gamble
It's always best to not risk so much very early. Tournaments aren't won in the first few levels after all.
QQ and JJ ... easy Fold Pre when allin.....
there seems to be some information missing in this preflop fold of pocket qq. how much did he bet preflop?
Replay of the hand is in the link in the original post.
Blinds were 20/40, my stack was 3385. I was UTG+3, UTG limped, UTG+2 raised to 120, I called. Small blind went all-in for 2450, original raiser folded, I folded my QQ.
There are plenty of situations where you should fold KK preflop and a few where you can justify folding AA. If you're playing a 9-seat S&G with top three paid. You're on the bubble (blinds are 100/200), and you have the second largest stack with 6000 chips, chip leader has 6200 chips and the two other players have 600 and 700 chips respectively. The chip leader has gone all-in UTG and both short stacks have folded. You're in the BB with KK. In this case you should fold, as it's extremely likely that one of the short stacks will go out within the next few hands.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigbossman
It doesn't matter what you think you're opponent has. It's all about chip management and laddering up at that stage. Incidentally, when I first read about this bubble play theory, I found myself in the very same situation in the next S&G I played. Chip leader had me just about covered, and pushed with AQ, I was in SB and called with KK. First card out was an ace and I didn't hit either of my kings.
I can understand making a very tight pre-fold of JJ, QQ, or even KK. But not AA! I don't care how many shoves there are, that's the best hand. If I suck out, I suck out. But the alternative is having a very nice lead early on.
i've folded kings preflop once and it was the wrong decision, dude 4bet jammed me with queens, got called by AKo and i would have held up...i've made the wrong call with KK since then, but after that wrong fold i cant bring myself to do it...and aces forget about it im rareeeeely folding them preflop, that is strictly situational (like if we're H2H before the bubble and enough ppl are allin to burst the bubble, i might fold then unless i've got a good stack)...it's hard to argue for folding aces pre, there's just way too many hands that will get it in worse than aces pre
Sometimes it is very beneficial to fold QQ preflop. I have done it in live games more than online though lol.
Yeah, sometimes you just get a gut feeling and know you are better off folding. I've actually laid down KK before, I just "knew" the other player had AA.
I played in a live tournament last night, 3000 starting stack, blinds 25/50. First hand, I was in BB holding JJ, a couple of limpers, SB (who will raise with and high ace and pocket pair) raised to 250, I reraised to 800, folded around to SB, who shoved instantly.
After muttering to myself for a few seconds, I folded my JJ face up and SB showed AA.
Very next hand I had A7 or A8 in the small blind. A couple of limpers, including the button, so I limped as well. Hit top pair on the flop, so I bet out. folded around to button who called. Bet again on the turn and button called again. Check-check on the river and button flips over 78, so I managed to recouperate more than my loss on the first hand.
If you fold AA pre flop you need to not play poker, you have the best han so far, thats like saying you flop the high straight and best possible hand so far and folding because you think the board will pair up an they will get a boat. lmao
It sucks when you fold great hand and find out you made wrong lay down lol
Omg man i would never fold in this situation,you had to call maaan
reraise PF to about 350 or so IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by charlymorton
I dont think twice to fold AA KK when im not in mood of getting donked by J2 os..........:)
Yes, but a pre-flop call its always a big risk, so, if you dont want to risk all ur chips on 1 single hand without seeing at least the flop cards, u have the right to do so........:)Quote:
Originally Posted by LCDaBoss
I am totally with you guys. Me too. Survival comes first.
It's more complicated than that. Survival comes before chip accumulation when stacks are still deep stacked like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by LCDaBoss
That was a hard but good fold. but your passing up on good EV sometimes when you muck QQ there.
depends on the tourney... big buyin deep stack - fold to the all in. usual low buy in 150 player deep stack or Rebuy on merge/carbon I'm calling unless I have a great read / reason to fold. If its early its even better to get out and try another low limit tourney - or dbl up.
it all depends on what tournament yuor playing and your bankroll, if i was close to the bubble and in lower position i would lay it down.
Questionable IMO. You must know his play superbly well in order to make that kind of a laydown
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i always say ,,,, sometimes u have to risck ..............:cool:
Usually I would've reraised to 320-400, but I think I had a feeling the player who pushed, would do something like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeSchmo
I probably wouldn't have folded but you see how I have won, LOL
OMG what you think it is turbo tournament with low buyin , there are many low players and you can't fold QQ pair, i think it is very bad play by you.