ASTRONOMIC mistake

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09-02-2012, 06:35 PM
andresalles

ASTRONOMIC mistake

I was in huge depression after this hand, being playing poker for 3 year and do such a horrible sad mistake.
Well, I will try now to at least make a track and notes of such "donkey" tilting hands. Hope In more 3 year I learn the lesson!

Opss, forgot carbon hand history sucks
here the other demonstration of the hand.

game id="60569198-76" starttime="2012/09/02 19:20:45 -0300" numholecards="2" gametype="23" seats="9" realmoney="true" data="20120902|$300 Guaranteed Deepstack Turbo Freezeout |60531997-1|60569198-76|true" version="1">
<players dealer="5">
<player seat="0" nickname="Matty121472" balance="$7088.00" dealtin="true" />
<player seat="1" nickname="ledlizard" balance="$8398.00" dealtin="true" />
<player seat="2" nickname="Sharkie44" balance="$12438.00" dealtin="true" />
<player seat="3" nickname="stackinsidewaysRPM" balance="$11710.00" dealtin="true" />
<player seat="4" nickname="Olinkapo" balance="$7470.00" dealtin="true" />
<player seat="5" nickname="casaveia" balance="$10658.00" dealtin="true" />
<player seat="6" nickname="antandkandy" balance="$12700.00" dealtin="true" />
<player seat="7" nickname="soso101" balance="$30616.00" dealtin="true" />
<player seat="8" nickname="idk2poker" balance="$11350.00" dealtin="true" />
</players>
<round id="BLINDS" sequence="1">
<event sequence="1" type="ANTE" timestamp="1346624429249" player="0" amount="160.00"/>
<event sequence="2" type="ANTE" timestamp="1346624429249" player="1" amount="160.00"/>
<event sequence="3" type="ANTE" timestamp="1346624429249" player="2" amount="160.00"/>
<event sequence="4" type="ANTE" timestamp="1346624429249" player="3" amount="160.00"/>
<event sequence="5" type="ANTE" timestamp="1346624429249" player="4" amount="160.00"/>
<event sequence="6" type="ANTE" timestamp="1346624429249" player="5" amount="160.00"/>
<event sequence="7" type="ANTE" timestamp="1346624429249" player="6" amount="160.00"/>
<event sequence="8" type="ANTE" timestamp="1346624429249" player="7" amount="160.00"/>
<event sequence="9" type="ANTE" timestamp="1346624429249" player="8" amount="160.00"/>
<event sequence="10" type="SMALL_BLIND" timestamp="1346624429473" player="6" amount="800.00"/>
<event sequence="11" type="BIG_BLIND" timestamp="1346624429473" player="7" amount="1600.00"/>
</round>
<round id="PREFLOP" sequence="2">
<event sequence="12" type="FOLD" timestamp="1346624436796" player="8"/>
<event sequence="13" type="FOLD" timestamp="1346624437859" player="0"/>
<event sequence="14" type="FOLD" timestamp="1346624438227" player="1"/>
<event sequence="15" type="FOLD" timestamp="1346624440892" player="2"/>
<event sequence="16" type="FOLD" timestamp="1346624441877" player="3"/>
<event sequence="17" type="FOLD" timestamp="1346624442345" player="4"/>
<event sequence="18" type="RAISE" timestamp="1346624448423" player="5" amount="3200.00"/>
<event sequence="19" type="FOLD" timestamp="1346624450465" player="6"/>
<event sequence="20" type="CALL" timestamp="1346624453520" player="7" amount="1600.00"/>
<cards type="HOLE" cards="Jh,Jc" player="5" hand="Pair of Jacks"/>
</round>
<round id="POSTFLOP" sequence="3">
<event sequence="21" type="CHECK" timestamp="1346624455723" player="7"/>
<event sequence="22" type="ALL_IN" timestamp="1346624463863" player="5" amount="7298.00"/>
<event sequence="23" type="CALL" timestamp="1346624466066" player="7" amount="7298.00"/>
<event sequence="24" type="SHOW" timestamp="1346624466468" player="5"/>
<event sequence="25" type="SHOW" timestamp="1346624466669" player="7"/>
<cards type="COMMUNITY" cards="4d,Qh,Ah" hand="Pair of Jacks"/>
<cards type="SHOWN" cards="Jh,Jc" player="5"/>
<cards type="SHOWN" cards="3h,Ad" player="7"/>
</round>
<round id="POSTTURN" sequence="4">
<cards type="COMMUNITY" cards="4d,Qh,Ah,9d" hand="Pair of Jacks"/>
</round>
<round id="POSTRIVER" sequence="5">
<cards type="COMMUNITY" cards="4d,Qh,Ah,9d,Ac" hand="Two Pair Aces and Jacks"/>
</round>
<round id="END_OF_GAME" sequence="6">
<event sequence="26" type="PLAYER_OUT" timestamp="1346624472388" player="5"/>
<winner amount="23236.00" uncalled="false" potnumber="1" player="7" hand="Three of a Kind Aces" pottype="n"/>
</round>
</game>
Matty121472 Posts Ante 160.00
ledlizard Posts Ante 160.00
Sharkie44 Posts Ante 160.00
stackinsidewaysRPM Posts Ante 160.00
Olinkapo Posts Ante 160.00
casaveia Posts Ante 160.00
antandkandy Posts Ante 160.00
soso101 Posts Ante 160.00
idk2poker Posts Ante 160.00
antandkandy Posts SB 800.00
soso101 Posts BB 1600.00
idk2poker Folds
Matty121472 Folds
ledlizard Folds
Sharkie44 Folds
stackinsidewaysRPM Folds
Olinkapo Folds
casaveia Raised to 3200.00
antandkandy Folds
soso101 Calls 1600.00
soso101 Checks
casaveia All In 7298.00
soso101 Calls 7298.00
casaveia Shows Jh,Jc
soso101 Shows 3h,Ad
casaveia Out
soso101 Won 23236.00 from Pot 1 with Three of a Kind Aces
09-02-2012, 06:36 PM
ssuglia

Since we can't see what the flop, turn, and river cards were, what exactly was the mistake here?

Did an A hit the flop and you shoved anyway?
09-02-2012, 06:37 PM
marlais

Ouch. It's good that you can adjust your play instead of just tilting off the rest of your stack
09-02-2012, 06:38 PM
samitheman99

awch that sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
09-02-2012, 06:39 PM
andresalles

I was casaveia by the way.

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09-02-2012, 06:46 PM
andresalles

Topic moved..?! :( why
I want to discuss the hand and the tilting issue and tilting factors also, not bragging and not tilting here. :)
Im reading the book The Mental Game of Poker by Jared Tendler , thinking of bying it, is worth it?
Trying to improve my game as whole on the mental aspect, as u can see is kind of horrible sometimes!
09-02-2012, 06:58 PM
andresalles

player number 5;

ok, I will try to break down the hand:

casaveia" balance="$10658.00

casaveia holds "Pair of Jacks - JJ>"
casaveia Raised to 3200.00
antandkandy Folds
soso101 Calls 1600.00

FLOP
4d,Qh,Ah"

Soso101 checks
casaveia is ALL_IN, amount="7298.0
soso101 calls and SHOWN" cards="3h,Ad"

turn and river: COMMUNITY" cards="4d,Qh,Ah,9d,Ac

casaveia Out
soso101 Won 23236.00 from Pot 1 with Three of a Kind Aces
09-02-2012, 07:06 PM
wagon596

As it as been said,, a picture is worth a thousand words....
09-02-2012, 07:23 PM
bmeelneg

JJ is an allin preflop hand when you have less then 10 BBs ... the min raise was a mistake on your part since you gave him great pot odds
09-02-2012, 07:26 PM
JoeSchmo

yeah, shove PF
09-02-2012, 07:31 PM
samwrecka1

you should just fold u know its a setup
09-02-2012, 07:40 PM
Swittie

really bad play....u suck man!!!!!total irrational....what is JJ when there is already Q and A on table???I answear u: NOTHING!!!in case u didnt know, Q,K and A are HIGHER then J.... HIGHER! got it now???..ok...=/
09-02-2012, 07:46 PM
sprocketdog

JJ shove in any game worth playing, is just wrong, but it happens, you learn and move on.
09-02-2012, 07:58 PM
samwrecka1

sometimes u cant make even one mistake or u lost the tournament
09-03-2012, 01:14 AM
jdot81

Yeah sucks for sure the check call musta not been expected and its hard to fold big pairs but it happens .
09-03-2012, 02:30 AM
Punter4444

yes i did not know wat to comment as did not know who u were but i see now it was not good hand for u. las nite i playd on cash tables with 1.60 dollar buyin i raised 16 cents two guys folded their blinds of 4 cents the other player went allin with jack pair preflop obviously i called with pocket aces luckily dint lose because just a while before that lost with pocket aces against a straight. many times u can win with jack pair but if u see q k or ace on table definitely dont go allin nexttime...
09-03-2012, 04:36 AM
Paisleysky

Yeah, I agree with others here. I don't understand the thinking behind the shove.
09-03-2012, 04:54 AM
dimebags7

cracked aces with 66 and a 6 on river hahahah
09-03-2012, 09:00 AM
royalpat

yeah a picture would of been better too much reading for me to figure out sorry
09-03-2012, 09:08 AM
MichMan

Quote:

Originally Posted by bmeelneg

JJ is an allin preflop hand when you have less then 10 BBs ... the min raise was a mistake on your part since you gave him great pot odds

I agree with bmeelneg on this one, the mistake was not shoving preflop to (hopefully) push out the A-ragger, but seeing the bb had 30K, they mighta called anyways. They say there are 4 ways to play pocket Jacks, and all of them are wrong. lol. As far as the books go, The Theory of Poker by Sklansky was good.
09-03-2012, 10:05 AM
LaserCats

gots too shove it or be readt to fold if premiums show up on flop.
09-03-2012, 11:38 AM
Rellik419

Yep, agree with bmeelneg. Shove time and hope for the best.
09-04-2012, 12:54 PM
mantecoso22

player number 5;

ok, I will try to break down the hand:

casaveia" balance="$10658.00
09-07-2012, 12:46 AM
andresalles

Thank you for all the comments, I knew all before, i know I made a big mistake!.
Is just insane sometimes how can we make such bad moves!
09-08-2012, 05:10 AM
WILD

You probably should've pushed in preflop. If you did, most of the time, A-3 folds. I understand your tricky play, but with a flop like that, you could've just checked and gave up. Save your chips and wait for a better hand, but since your short, open up your options.