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I may be alone in it but i think a league would be better if it was more do or die. Using 4 games each day you could finish last in 3 and win 1 and make a big impact. Whereas if you extended the time it is run over and have like 1 meaningful game a week it really puts the emphasis on having to perform in that tourney.

Using a sports analogy you have leagues like the MLB, NHL and NBA where individual wins/losses arent that important because of the length of the season, whereas the NFL with a 16 game season every game is important and means alot. I just think a league would be held in higher regard and more anticipated if it was ran in a way where every tourney was really important towards the final standings meaning it would be less tournies.

League. would be great!

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Originally Posted by Zab

There's like 5 different ways we can do this, I need a direction

1) Standard league play (Probably have 2 divisions, division champions play against each other the last week of the month)
2) Add the Call of Duty Element, this totally changes everything
3) Speedway style where you get drafted onto a team for a month

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Zab, what about starting with a standard mode, so u can do changes as u feel they r needed, make it a simple way at the biginning, it will be less work for u and easier for players to get used to it, u can start with a simple individual players' league running two times per week (saturday and sunday would be the more appropriate i think), and as u feel it is ok u can turn it into a teams league or something like that........i think the whole leagues idea(whatever if individual or teams format) will make users be more loyal to PO, keeping them always coming back as they assume a commitment with the games...........:)

Ya but, how do you pick WHICH game? How do you get it so your team mates can join if they can only play the early games or late..

Maybe we do it so ONLY your first game of the day counts

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Originally Posted by Zab

Ya but, how do you pick WHICH game? How do you get it so your team mates can join if they can only play the early games or late..

Maybe we do it so ONLY your first game of the day counts

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or maybe your BEST result of the day........

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Originally Posted by Swittie

or maybe your BEST result of the day........

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Possibly your avg. for the day is the best solution. Then you take your best 3\5 averages and add it to the team score

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Originally Posted by Zab

Possibly your avg. for the day is the best solution. Then you take your best 3\5 averages and add it to the team score

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yeah..thats an great idea.
i was also wondering bout this thing i noticed in this other sites that run leagues, i noticed that for many players it is a problem to get into a team and many even dont like to play in teams(as is known that most poker players are lonely wolfs..lol ) , so, i think, it would be a clever thing to allow individual players to score in leagues, and, as they get used to it, they can then choose if they want to keep playing alone or join a team. I saw many good players trying to start a team and giving up after a while.....thats a good point to consider too......

We could add Lone Wolf Teams.. The problem for that is (And thats your problem!) is that if you don't play one day, it screws you

Sounds liek a good idea zabby, when will this be up and running.

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Originally Posted by bigphatmike

Sounds liek a good idea zabby, when will this be up and running.

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We still need to flesh out what we want to do with it..

Ok, well i love the promos you do, looking forward to being around more often.

For my notes from another site:

Depending on the number of participating Crews, the payout will be as follows:
1-4 Crews: Top 1 paid
5-9 Crews: Top 2 paid
(1st: 70%, 2nd: 30%)
10-14 Crews: Top 3 paid
(1st: 50%, 2nd: 30%. 3rd: 20%)
15-19 Crews: Top 4 paid
(1st: 45%, 2nd: 25%, 3rd: 18%, 4th: 12%)
20 or more Crews: Top 5 paid
(1st: 40%, 2nd: 24%, 3rd: 16%, 4th: 12%, 5th: 8%)

You can also find the payout structure on the Crew Cup League page once the registration for each month is closed, the PS Points will be paid out manually once the monthly league has been finalized. 10% of the entry fee (=300 PS Points) will be withheld to cover expenses.
How does the scoring system work for Crew Cup Points?
In a Crew Cup event the rank of the top three finishers in each crew will be added up. The winning Crew will be the one that has the lowest total.
Example: Two crews competing in a Tournament:
Top 3 Crew A finishers: 17th 25th 36th = 78
Top 3 Crew B finishers: 1st 60th 117th = 178

Crew A will finish in 1st and Crew B will finish in 2nd.


What happens if less than 3 crew members end up playing in a Crew Battle?
Crews with less than 3 members playing in an event will be issued extra scores to simulate 3 participating members on the crew. If a crew only has 2 members playing in a crew competition tournament their crew will receive a 3rd score equal to a last place finish plus 1. If a crew only has 1 member playing in a crew competition tournament his/her crew will receive a 2nd score equal to a last place finish plus 1 and a 3rd score equal to a last place finish plus 2.


Can I leave my Crew voluntarily or can I be kicked off the Crew?
Yes both is possible, however if your Crew is currently in an active Crew Battle competition, you will have to wait until the end of the month to leave your Crew. Same applies for the poll that Crew captains and members with admin rights can create on their Crew homepage to kick off a member.

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Originally Posted by Zab

We could add Lone Wolf Teams.. The problem for that is (And thats your problem!) is that if you don't play one day, it screws you

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yeah....but thats an individual responsability, individual players will have to deal with that, take the PokerStars Leagues as an example, players who play them are FANATIC bro, most off them would let their mothers die instead of loosing a game....lol.....i think that can be considered too.......:)

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Originally Posted by Zab

Can I leave my Crew voluntarily or can I be kicked off the Crew?

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why dont make it simpler? : only teams' owner can fire and/or hire members..........

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Originally Posted by Swittie

why dont make it simpler? : only teams' owner can fire and/or hire members..........

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than the owner can fire everybody the last day with a big enough lead, and take all the $ for themselves

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Originally Posted by lilturkgirl

than the owner can fire everybody the last day with a big enough lead, and take all the $ for themselves

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There would be rules in place for firing. If they are producing, they can't be fired..

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Originally Posted by lilturkgirl

than the owner can fire everybody the last day with a big enough lead, and take all the $ for themselves

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no, if u fire a member u lose this member's points total in score.....

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Originally Posted by Swittie

no, if u fire a member u lose this member's points total in score.....

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Thing is, to play in the league............... I think you have to put up some points.

Unless we make it where only the captain puts up the entry fee then he has to split 'some' of the prize pool with his team.
Then its up to the captain to do whatever the hell he wants!

How are the team scores calculated?
When a player competes in a league event and gets a score, the player can also get a team score.

For a player to get a team score he or she must obviously be a member of a team, and at least one other member of that team must have played in the same league event.

The team score each player gets is the same as the average score of all of the team members who played in the event.

The team rankings is based on that average, not on the total score of all members. There is therefor no advantage to have a lot of members except of course to increase the chance that someone reaches the final table.

"How are the player scores calculated?
The scores are calculated according to a simple exponential formula. Each player gets a score based on their final position and the total number of entrants in each event, rounded off to the nearest non-decimal value.

Formula: Multiplier^(Entrants-Position+1) = Score.

Where the Multiplier is whatever number which raised by the number of entrants would equal the number of entrants.

For example in a league event with 500 entrants, the winner would get a score of 500, the runner-up a score of 494, the #250 finisher a score of 22 and the last place a score of 1."

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Originally Posted by Zab

Thing is, to play in the league............... I think you have to put up some points.

Unless we make it where only the captain puts up the entry fee then he has to split 'some' of the prize pool with his team.
Then its up to the captain to do whatever the hell he wants!

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thats why i think an individual players league is an option to be considered, there would not be this kind of issue, and everyone would respond only for its own scores and decisions....

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Originally Posted by Swittie

thats why i think an individual players league is an option to be considered, there would not be this kind of issue, and everyone would respond only for its own scores and decisions....

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Individual league play is basically the leaderboard & player ratings though (Just month long)

I think the length of each 'season' is important. I personally dont enjoy short seasons. Preferrably 8 or more games. Also pokerstars has a very good league points format.

I dont know how expensive this would get but we could have a certain amount of teams and all of them buy in with points initially (possibly). Then we could have small buyin tournies ($1.10) on carbon that require a password (unless a coupon system could work). Half of the prize pool would go the league and half for that specific tourny. And the end of league, there could be a freeroll for the winning team or just spread the winnings to all the players of the winning teams (and possibly a bonus freeroll on behalf of Zab).

Each league game would have a certain number of players from each team (that the captain or co-captain would decide on). Then players in the top 10 would get pts from the game (11, 9, 8, 7 etc....) And at the end the best team or teams, if there are a lot of teams, would win the prizepool at the end.

I played in league games on the Wass poker forum which is now defunct, for several years. We played on Carbon and then when Wass Poker opened we played there. It was called The Bragging Rights league.
Teams could have unlimited members - But only, I think 5 players could actually play per game.
1 game Sat and 1 game Sun.
Points were given out to the top 20 finishers in each game, more pts the closer you were to 1st.
At the end of the month...the team with the most points won a private game for real money paid for by the forum.
Teams were started by their captains originally and then voted in or out after that, month to month.
The captains had final say on who was in or out of the team.

I was a captain for a couple months, it was a demanding job in terms of organizing who was going to play every weekend etc. For example in the case of no shows right before the game, you have to have standins. And then if you have plans as the captain you have to have someone capable of doing all the organizing for you etc.

"Team play" is different then regular play. You chip dump to your team mates early on in the game when they are low, but not as much in the later part of the game. Some teams used Instant Messaging between player at the same table, telling each other what they were holding. This helps decide who is going to play the hand as most of the time you don't want your own players in the same pot together.

Can't think of anything else helpful at the moment...I'm sure more will come to me. We had a lot of fun playing together!

What if we did something simple like.. If you are part of the league, you get taxed +5 points per coupon which gets added to the prize pool... I could see people abusing that so every game you play in you get deducted 5 points which gets added to the prize pool.

Captain has to pay XX to create the team (Let's say 100 points).

Then he can start recruiting players

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Issue is, what do we do at the start of the new month? Disband all teams or give the captain an option to keep his same team or?

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Originally Posted by Zab

What if we did something simple like.. If you are part of the league, you get taxed +5 points per coupon which gets added to the prize pool... I could see people abusing that so every game you play in you get deducted 5 points which gets added to the prize pool.

Captain has to pay XX to create the team (Let's say 100 points).

Then he can start recruiting players

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Issue is, what do we do at the start of the new month? Disband all teams or give the captain an option to keep his same team or?

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So the buyin would be coupon and the prizepool in the game would be just like a freeroll? I would say a new league every month and the captain has the option with its players so there wont be a lot of issues with not showing up.

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Originally Posted by Zab

What if we did something simple like.. If you are part of the league, you get taxed +5 points per coupon which gets added to the prize pool... I could see people abusing that so every game you play in you get deducted 5 points which gets added to the prize pool.

Captain has to pay XX to create the team (Let's say 100 points).

Then he can start recruiting players

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Issue is, what do we do at the start of the new month? Disband all teams or give the captain an option to keep his same team or?

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This, I like. Yeah at the end of the month just give the team captains the option to disband or keep the same team.

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Originally Posted by Zab

Individual league play is basically the leaderboard & player ratings though (Just month long)

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yeah..u right in that........well, i think it is pointing to a standard teams league option then.......:

unlimited number of players per team (1 - infinite)(with the score calculation i mentioned above);

individual prizes per game;

individual score avg;

team score avg;

final prize pool for X% of teams(each one sharing its prize between all team's members);

Issue is, what do we do at the start of the new month? Disband all teams or give the captain an option to keep his same team or?

give him/her the option to keep the team, most will do that for certain....

Ya thats the question, how \ when do we form teams? There will be a delay? Can teams enter late?

I would say you keep the same teams but people have the option to leave a team certain periods of times..

Maybe we don't have captains? I dont know

Sounds like it could be fun. I like the raffle so far.

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Originally Posted by Zab

Ya thats the question, how \ when do we form teams? There will be a delay? Can teams enter late?

I would say you keep the same teams but people have the option to leave a team certain periods of times..

Maybe we don't have captains? I dont know

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yes, teams can join whenever they want, entering late they will be in disadvantage, but thats up to them;

people are free to leave team whenever they want (The team however still gets to keep the scores you made from the events you played in while you were a member) ;

I still think a captain is required, we will still need someone to hire/fire members;

From Dec 31st to Jan 1st is when I have to sort out when teams are formed :|

Probably same teams I would assume.........

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Originally Posted by Zab

From Dec 31st to Jan 1st is when I have to sort out when teams are formed :|

Probably same teams I would assume.........

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sorry bro, i dont understand that, what u mean with sort out...........O_o

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Originally Posted by Swittie

sorry bro, i dont understand that, what u mean with sort out...........O_o

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Lets say its Dec 31st, the last day...

Now it's January 1st.. What are the teams? Same teams? How quickly can we organize new teams? Do we have a 5 days period to make them or what

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Originally Posted by Zab

Lets say its Dec 31st, the last day...

Now it's January 1st.. What are the teams? Same teams? How quickly can we organize new teams? Do we have a 5 days period to make them or what

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i dont know if i get the point here, but if i understand what u saying then maybe we could try a pre-registration period, lets say, u can only register for a league's game event until, lets say, 2 or 3 days before the game(or even 5 days, if thats the time you will need to set up things right)....so, if month's score starts on january 1st(in your example), then people will have to be registered a few days before the game(not necessary in a team, cause they will be able to join a team until the reffered game starts).......i dont know if thats what u were asking.........

Ya that would make sense..

Also I want to sort out if you enter a league late. I think what I would do is give you the same score as the bottom place team in your division. (If we setup divisions)

since I will never make a speedway car, maybe I can be on someone's team. This sounds like a very cool idea.

Example: 10x Teams of 5 players. Last place would be zero pts, 49th would be 1 point and so on.. 1st getting 50 pts, add all the pts for each team and there's your scoring. Whoever has the most pts at the end of the month wins. Every team player needs to place a wager of say 500 pts... Winning team gets 25K pts giving each player on said team 5K. Something like that. Just an idea. I'd love to get something like this on here, also How would the teams be picked? Said Captains scout players and offer a team spot?