Upgrade idea against the scammers..

So, with all this talk people going outside the market.. Where's the security? What can I do MORE to help?

What if I made a 'middle man' upgrade.. That is, when someone uses a middle man (I will only make middle men on a select few), that person would hold XYZ item until he has both pieces, then distribute the rest.

He can do this for a fee.. Points, a small % of the trade, etc...

Where does it get sticky? When you guys start using paypal.. There isn't a good answer for that (yet) but I am working on it

love it!

of course ima middle man... one of the most trusted

excellent idea....

sounds like a good idea to me, but i really don't trade much though

i think we can ahve the members police, who is trusted via paypal.

few that i know are:
PokeYourFace
Cookies
vtriclone
tommy
Dalsue

this would be a strong core of people to police the paypal issue

This is an excellent idea and will for sure cut down on alot of what has been going on.

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Originally Posted by PokeYourFace

i think we can ahve the members police, who is trusted via paypal.

few that i know are:
PokeYourFace
Cookies
vtriclone
tommy
Dalsue

this would be a strong core of people to police the paypal issue

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The problem is, even if you SEND paypal.. then they can just reverse it on the middle man

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Originally Posted by Zab

The problem is, even if you SEND paypal.. then they can just reverse it on the middle man

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yep PP is a touchy deal. theres only a very select few who are even worth trusting here on a paypal trade and poke named all of us pretty much. i might add faqdumass and jaytodd to list

i know we can make a small 1.00 sale to get the people's verified names, #'s, and addresses

you have to makre sure u trade with the right peeps.....i don't get it!!! but what if the middle man fucks some1?

pick me!,bishes pay me dollar i hold the cash and release PEr Terms haha

I'll be a good middle man for everything else beside PP

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Originally Posted by CUSTOMTABLES

you have to makre sure u trade with the right peeps.....i don't get it!!! but what if the middle man fucks some1?

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thats why id say active mods only to be middlemen

Sounds good for people that do stuff with unknowns,,,I have one person that I deal with and that's all..

Along with this idea, can we have harsher penalties for offenders? No system is perfect, but I don't think we have enough of a deterrent for scammers.

it sounds like a good idea but yea paypal is the problem since it can be reveresed

Perhaps you should make market unattainable for new people, set a lenth of membership for it (two months perhaps) then allow anyone to ban someone from market until a resolution is made (so if someone is being screwed they can automatically ban someone temporarily) I don't know if this even makes sense, I have never actually used market (part of it because I buy points sometimes and it wont let me) ....just trying to help

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Originally Posted by azreal1

thats why id say active mods only to be middlemen

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yea deff....but fool you not....but a mod has scammed a player here before!!!

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Originally Posted by CUSTOMTABLES

you have to makre sure u trade with the right peeps.....i don't get it!!! but what if the middle man fucks some1?

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I believe if zab hand-picked his "middle-med" he would feel safe guaranteeing them to a limit. However, I think this is a ridiculous hassle and if there isn't a better way, I say leave it the same and "at your own risk" or just do away with it and let people figure it out .

Sounds like an amazing idea Zab. I'd definitely use it. :)

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Originally Posted by PokeYourFace

i think we can ahve the members police, who is trusted via paypal.

few that i know are:
PokeYourFace
Cookies
vtriclone
tommy
Dalsue

this would be a strong core of people to police the paypal issue

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cant say anything bout vtri, dont know him enuf...but from all others i only trust tommy.....cmon, dalsue????.......hahahhaahahha.......u really a joker .......... =P

This would work.....great idea!

yeah it sucks filling out so much for so little that pay

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Originally Posted by Zab

So, with all this talk people going outside the market.. Where's the security? What can I do MORE to help?

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If you want honesty from someone who is fully versed on proper ways to deal with scamming and how to reduce the amount significantly, here are my thoughts (feel free to delete if you want and I will not be offended :) ) I figure since the boss posted this he was looking for solutions...otherwise I would not post my thoughts. I do not want to cause any trouble but my advice comes from someone who has assisted many sites with outting the complex games scammers play for many years.

The absolute best defense against scamming is to stop them at the door when possible. Of course, there should also be steps to protect members as much as possible once the scammers are already members and try to steal from someone.

The truth is the site is too lenient on former scammers, stake rollers and people with known multiple accounts on several sites. No offense, but the site in its rules actually protects those who might come here with intent to steal or who have a history of doing the same. In my experience, when you find people who steal once and never come back to pay what they stole, they are extremely likely to steal again, and usually from the easiest place possible, at the moment PO.

Almost all poker forums that deal with money form a type of community that generally shuns members who steal from other sites. For instance, if you try and make a trade on 2+2, but you have stolen money from PTP, they will ban you on 2+2 (or at least restrict your ability to make trades). If you have multiple accounts banned on 2+2 (due to trade stealing etc) , most sites will ban you until you make the 2+2 problem right. If you steal a stake in CMU, PTP will not allow you on their site. If it is found you are scamming on PO, and it is brought to the other sites attention, you will not be able to do any monetary transactions on 2+2, P5s, PTP, CMU, Surfers and many other poker forums that deal with staking and money. They will also take these same precautions against people at CC and prevent them from staking, money transactions, and possibly even banning fully.

The problem is, PO is sitting out there as one place that almost opens up its arms to scammers and does little to protect its members against them. In fact, when info is out there, PO seems to shield these people. Many multiple accounts (people who have several instances of multiple accounts are very high on list of potential scammer material) no problem, stole money like a common theif on one or one hundred occasions no problem. Known multiple PO accounts seems no problem (the members even seem to accurately identify members when they come back under different name). I mean people even come in on chat and admit they have scammed numerous times.

Just remember, for a newbie member that has not crawled around the poker scene, they will have no way of protecting themselves if experienced members of the poker community do not step up. They are just fresh bait. I think they need all of our assistance.

For various reasons, scamming has gotten a bit easier since BF and harder to detect, but admins and Mods have many internal tools to help prevent the problem.

Of course, the negative for the site is that there will be less members so it understandable that it would not want to take on the extra job of stopping scammers in their tracks. And no matter what this or any other site does, scammers will operate and will make money off good people.

The problem is, if other sites like 2+2, P5s, others, took the stance this sites does of isolating itself from the poker community by not making it easier to track scammers across sites, it is no doubt we would be overrun by many more of these people and they would be infinitely harder to find and identify. They already are a hard lot to track down.

Respectfully yours

W

I think that is a GREAT idea! It seems safe!

this is an amazing idea and i love it

WEC I liked your post, very thought out. I can't speak for other forums but as for PO the biggest problem with insta banning multi accounts and scammers is they will insta create a new account.

Zab has added new features for us Mods to track them on top of his own tools.

What we try to do is keep them around so that the community can keep track of who is a multi or a scammer by having members make a thread and keeping them open for all to view.

The war still goes on..................

I don't do any trades (at least not yet), but I have lurked the threads on how folks have gotten scammed by assholes. I do like the middle-man concept. It's how big wagers were done in the days before electronics.

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Ya sounds safe to me! Nice idea!:o

hmmmm looks like a nice idea !!! hope u get it worked out